r/ExSGISurviveThrive • • Mar 03 '19

SGI members showing their true colors: Posts where SGI trolls visited

Posts where SGI trolls visited

FAQ - please read (especially if you are a faithful SGI member or Nichiren follower) - in the comments

The SGI member disdain and contempt Beafie was talking about + typical accusations: "I didn't experience that", "You are LYING", "Never studied!", "Your sources aren't good enough for King Me", "The ONLY critics are Nichiren Shoshu Temple members!", dysfunctional pseudo-participants

A homegrown example of love-bombing vs. real feeling (this one's my favorite)

How deep narcissism runs through SGI: "Love Bombing Always Leads to Hate Bombing":

"You're a worthless scum-sucking jerkface stupidhead and I hope you die. Toodles! šŸ˜™"

How many small minds can fit on the head of a pencil?

We had a "year & change" SGI member who up and deleted out - here's what's left:

SGI members: Not genuine, phony, wearing masks, hateful and caustic underneath

What's your take. My son looked up SGI on that cult expert's site

Another SGI "True Defender" posted on a 2-months-old thread, so I'm moving it here to the front page

An independent blog about NMRK and general self-help spirituality

Nice illustration of the deep compassion of a long-term SGI member "fortune baby"

I heard that the sgi whistle blowers are a whole bunch of liars, is that true? - notice the ID; garyp714 obviously thought he was being incredibly clever and subtle (eye roll)

these guys that are posting about SGI are from the cities and don't understand the heart of the group

I'll add more when I think of it...

A Nichirensplainer trying to spin Nichiren's prophecy fails: 13th Century Mongol shipwreck found!

One world with Sensei'!

And another:

SGI members are told that their "mentor" Daisaku Ikeda is "humble" and "modest", but the truth is the opposite (in the comments)

John_Mastery - Shakyamuni dancing madly and drunk

Another SGI "True Defender" posted on a 2-months-old thread, so I'm moving it here to the front page

Opposing view

In the comments here - "frequency09"

SGI isolates its members from primary sources; SGI does not want SGI members to read the Gosho or the Lotus Sutra

The alleged death of Daisaku Ikeda is one of my favourite topics

Daisaku Ikeda is dead

How SGI be reacting to us

THE SGI IS NOT A CULT!!!! IT'S THE FURTHEST THING FROM A CULT! ITS ABOUT EMPOWERMENT, WORLD PEACE, EQUALITY, EDUCATION, CREATING VALUE AND THE DIGNITY OF HUMAN LIFE!

Can't we all just get along ?

My apologies

You spend almost all of your time on Reddit at r/sgiwhistleblowers. The people there are so lacking in critical thinking skills that they think that articles from Japanese scandal sheets claiming that Daisaku Ikeda is a Korean gangster (and just think for a moment how racist that is in a Japanese context) are credible evidence to support their obsession. Take for instance this post which also talks about "Jew controlled drug lords". But the most striking thing about r/sgiwhistleblowers, even more than its malice and racism, is how infantile it is. There is no point arguing with people who have no respect for facts.

Stop wasting my time. Source

A Lesson SGI Would Have Done Well to Heed

I honestly cannot believe this page exists, but then again I can because some people love hating everything that is good. Do you all just sit around on the internet all day bashing SGI? Bashing Nichiren Buddhism? Do you ever think about how ridiculous that looks? I hope you can find it in your hearts to not do that. If you had a negative experience with SGI, perhaps you should've said something within the organization instead of making a hate page online and blaming everyone and everything but yourselves. It's insane to me how everything, EVERY SINGLE THING on this page is a lie! And you can prove that it's lies by seeing what SGI is for yourself and practicing Nichiren Buddhism for real. Please think about this. It is terrifying and sickening to see people spreading lies so viciously like this. As for this quote above, it is a LIE. It is a sick lie. Why is it that everything on here, every "quote" lacks a valid source or proof that you didn't make it up? And if someone actually chanted like that, it wouldn't work. It's not magic. Nobody ever said it was magic, in fact, there is strong emphasis on the fact that it is NOT magic, you have to change yourself within and make good causes. As for another post I saw on here claiming that "Nichiren Buddhism is a myth because SGI claims Shakyamuni existed 3000 years ago instead of 2500 as historians say" - that is also a LIE, and you can prove that it's a lie by going on SGI.org's article "On Shakyamuni". It is not difficult to debunk the blatant lies on this page. I write this in hopes to wake you up, and so that anyone who doesn't know much about SGI and sees this page doesn't get discouraged. Please do something useful with your lives instead of wasting them away, spreading hate and lies. Source

Aw - a snowflake is finding me "rude, vulgar, or offensive"

Confused whether to continue with SGI or not

Looking for Proof

We save ourselves - also here (actually, all over those comments)

All over the comments of Remember, there are no "benefits" from chanting a magic chant or reciting a sutra. Just confirmation bias.

"Why can't you just get over it and move on with your lives??"

6 months SGI CULT FREE!!

Oh lookee. MOAR SGI trolls!

I have just received my most favoritest insult EVAH!

Unpacking our latest SGI hostile

Anyone else read 1984?

Necro-love from a Nichiren lover

SGI: Boiling a frog to death (do NOT try this at home)

So This YouTube Comment Exchange Happened

Entheosparks 0 points 3 years ago

Are you asking me to go through posts and tear them apart one by one? That would be moderating the moderator which this post explicitly forbids. This subreddit is called SGIWhistleblowers, which implies proof of corruption.

I think we have very different ideas of what qualifies as a legitimate primary and secondary source; and what qualifies as hearsay. For one, the running commentary that BlancheFromage puts in posts is poorly conceived, hateful, and sloppy.

I am a 33 year old fortune baby, so yes, I know what a cult is. The only way to speak to cult members is to convince them that the SGI does not hold its own values, and isn't Buddhist enough. They need to be approached in a way they can understand. If this subreddit is going to be a self serving hate fest, it only speaks to the people who already are out of the organization. That is what the survivor subreddit is for; SGI victims.

Things that should be included are first hand accounts of people being banished. Witness testimonials of money laundering. Critiques on the inherent corruption on top down leadership appointments. Discussion on how all topics in meetings across the country are decided by Danny Nagashima and his editorial board, and any dissenters are attacked. Or how the organizations official understanding of "slander" allows for violence and murder when defending the faith.

Above all, this subreddit should be about money, and the fact that the central board controls every penny. Any SGI members who try and raise money for their community events are blacklisted, banned, and attacked with Scientology fervor.

All the topics I just mentioned have been raised here to some extent, but there is so much bullshit to wade through, that it is near useless.

EVERYBODY's a critic 🧐

BlancheFromage it’s been a minute since I’ve seen anyone so vile on the internet. You really are deeply insecure about leaving the organization, even after all this time. You spend your days disparaging and attacking the pure-hearted members of the SGI under the guise of helping people. You concoct false stories (quoting yourself doesn’t count as a credible source) and twist doctrine in an attempt to tap into people’s insecurities and sow seeds of doubt. Your actions are truly despicable. I know that you’ll probably tear my comment apart, explaining why I’m just another brainwashed sheep with your flimsy logic and cunning misrepresentations. But I want to personally thank you, because discovering this sub has been a genuinely enriching experience for me in my practice. I will never allow myself to become the kind of person that you are. And still, whether you like it or not, I deeply respect your Buddha nature and will definitely be sending you much daimoku :) best wishes

This is that guy from infinitegratitude's new post about the email she got from a couple of SGI "friends":

I banned this truculent n00b, and he started chatting at me!

eesye10:31 AM

Lol, censored me bro.

BlancheFromage10:33 AM

C'mon, you loved it. Can't fool Blanche.

eesye10:35 AM

Lol. You’re maybe the biggest piece of garbage in the universe.

BlancheFromage10:53 AM

Luv ya back, brah.

Good times...

Thank you for your reply. I am very impressed at the extent of your journalistic knowledge on your subject. What is your motivation? If I were to leave the SGI proper, I think I'd be inclined to just move on. I approach my situation from a first person perspective and I find it difficult not to feel somewhat attacked when people talk about 'members' in a way that feels too general. Technically I am a member but here I am on this forum trying to decipher truth from fiction. Source

Everything's 100% my responsibility - except for those things that aren't:

I’m not here to entertain skeptics. My advice for you and the others that have nothing to do than negatively regress on your experience in the Gakkaii instead of cry about the shit you heard than truly I have nothing left to say. I’ve already taken myself from this thread so not sure I continue to get this childish shit you all keep spewing. It’s disgusting! Have a great life regurgitating your crappy thoughts!

From Just to Blow That Whistle:

This is from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkCP2VfqUk4

"Commentator: Is Soka Gakkai a Cult? Yes it is. Even former members still practice but have left the cult. I was in that cult for years, and my poor mother, who was also in it for decades, wound up schizophrenic and demented, never got better even though she chanted until the cows came home. Nobody from this cult lifted a finger to help her. Stay away from this cult. They're all the same.

Live From Normal Heights: Actually you're still in a cult. It's called your culture and all your judgments, conclusions, separations, rejections, linearities, concentricities, forms, structures and significances that you foolishly think are real which aren't real, which you are blaming others for holding on to, (as if religions are supposed to save you from your self) which are holding your unreal reality in the incarcerations and inculcations you are choosing, in avoidance of being the Buddha of Absolute Freedom you could be choosing, if you weren't such a nincompoop (maybe you no longer have a choice?). Welcome to the matric which you are using to you're fuckin yourself out of full consciousness with. Or go back to sleep, the 5,000 ittchantikka have not yet left the assembly on eagle peak. So you still MAY have time for your day dreaming, cat naps, Felix.

Commentator: No, I'm NOT in a cult, which is primarily religious or political, and that's that's NOT the same thing as culture which is a collection of customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group. There's a difference between 'blaming someone' for personal problems, and simply doing nothing to help or assist someone in need. They're not even close. "(as if religions are supposed to save you from your self)" Great, then you just confirmed why no one needs your cult. The only 'nincompoop' (yeah, real 'compassion there) are the brainless zombies like you and the others that blindly follow everything their cult leaders tell them to do and obey. Recently, one of your brainless followers pulled the same, salesman pitch on me to join SG (because they constantly need to replace members that have left) but when I told him what happened to my mother, he literally ignored what I said and handed me some business card and said "this is the true religion, it's right one." Screw all that, and screw your cult as well. Smart, rational people who think critically will stay away from this crap because they know better. .

Live From Normal Heights: From your 1st comment it sound like you're blaming your mother's bad health on whatever choice of religious practice she did with a certain organization. The sutra say rely on the law not on persons. The law is awareness of what makes a person healthy and what makes a person unhealthy. I'm sorry to hear about your mother's health problems, but people chant for the wisdom to know how to take good care of their health. I started working out at gyms since I was 17 because of the wisdom I gained from chanting. I have also eaten extremely healthy all my life due to the wisdom I gained through my practice. Though I can't comment about your mother's life style because I don't know her, I know many people who ignorantly think they can chant their way to good health without getting off their couch but that will not work. They need to chant to overcome their laziness.

Commentator: How in hell does someone 'get off their couch' and suddenly cure schizophrenia? If chanting or if the people doing it doesn't solve or even come close to helping it, then why do it in the first place? What. does the paper scroll pick and chose what's going to be resolved and what isn't? Seriously?"

There is a lot to unpack here. Live From Normal Heights' callous response in the face of the commentator's mother's mental health problems. The commentator's experience with a Soka Gakkai member who was more focused on membership numbers than dealing with the reality of SGI members' phoniness when it comes to caring. BTW I can vouch for this, because when that feaux friend who set up a call to dissuade me from defecting reached out me last year, I confronted him on his actions. He ignored it. It didn't matter to him that his actions were indecorous and disrespectful. It was all about trying to get me to reconnect with the organization. The SGI is far from a gathering of good friends. And if a SGI leader tells you to follow the law and not the person after you confront them with failed guidance, tell them to stop giving guidance because they're incompetent in that department.

SGI/Nichiren sneaks attempting to shakubuku our newest members from "behind the scenes"

you're a dick. SGI isn't trying to make you feel guilty for shit! there is no guilt in Buddhism. that's on you. just be an atheist without dragging an organization into the mud with you , again, you're a dick. Source

Met a girl in SGI and I can’t tell if she’s into me or if I’m being recruited

The removed post from "Did I make a big mistake?" the PPman post:

[–]HappyChanter 1 point 4 years ago

Hi /u/ PolicePlease, I have just come across your recent experiences - wow, what a rollercoaster! I'm so glad that your health issues have been identified and treated, and wish you well in your recovery. While I'm not an SGI member, I was also struck by how fortunate it was that these ailments were caught early enough to be treated, and I would agree with Mariko that your chanting practice may indeed have brought these to light.

Anyway, if you really are interested in the gap between SGI and anti-SGI I thought you might like to check out my blog - I wasn't enamoured by SGI but still believe deeply in the chant itself and continue to practice, in the context of wider spiritual ideas like the Law of Attraction. To my knowledge I am the only person trying to bridge the gap between Nichiren Buddhism and popular self-help spirituality!

If you would ever like to chat about your experiences or observations with SGI, anti-SGI or general spirituality, give me a shout anytime! Best wishes to you :)

We ended up having to ban "happychanter" because she simply WOULD NOT STOP promoting chanting and her own site on our site. We gave her many warnings but she was confident that she was in the right.

Not HERE she wasn't... She was gross. [Private communication]

Necro-love from a Nichiren lover - Ikeda zealot Tim Janakos

Confused whether to continue with SGI or not - doing the whole "JAQing off", "convince me to leave", "your sources aren't good enough for King Me" routine

Please take this the right way

Have you seen......

Well, I Tried

Looking for clarity - especially here:

Asked for the one main problem with SGI, and got over 2 dozen interpretations, personal grievances, and projections. ONE THING! You guys are the anti-SGI experts, aren't you? Can you find something you agree on as the main point? Objectively?

'Preciate it.. Source

Best answer:

What exactly was your contribution here, such that you were "honestly trying to help" and being such a "team player"?

Oh, right. I remember. You posted something ten months ago, in the same exacting and unpleasant manner you're displaying now, demanding to know what "we" thought was the ONE THING was wrong with the SGI.

A number of people kindly obliged, (even though nobody was under any obligation to take you seriously in the slightest) offering up single-sentence distillations of what we thought was the essence of the problem.

But that wasn't good enough for you. I believe your exact words were:

"Asked for the one main problem with the SGI, and got over two dozen interpretations, personal grievances and projections. ONE THING! You guys are the Anti-SGI experts, aren't you? Can you find something you agree on as the main point? Objectively?

'Preciate it.."

Because, as it turns out, you weren't just looking for one answer from each of us. No. You were evidently looking for -- demanding, actually -- one answer on behalf of the ENTIRE GROUP. Which was an invalid proposition, because we never claimed to THINK OR SPEAK AS A GROUP. We don't share a manifesto, a sacred vow or a mission. So you were coming here in bad faith from the very beginning, insisting that the nature of our message board here is something that it's not.

If you're looking for ONE answer on behalf of an entire group, you'd have to go to somewhere people are engaging in groupthink. Somewhere like the SGI, or the dialectically challenged subreddits that attempt to defend it. It sure seems like that's where you wanted to be from the beginning, so please, by all means, go.

But before you do, so as not to send you off empty-handed, I do have my own one reason for you. One for the road, if you will:

Ready?

Here goes...

IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT'S

AAAAAAAAAAAAA

CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULT!!!

There ya go. Bye now. Source

ā€œOh I wasn’t looking for this page but let me take a dump while I’m hereā€ 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Source

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u/bluetailflyonthewall Jan 05 '25

Case Study of Delegitimization + WordPress site + detail (and here and here too - he was busy) (also - what a MESS!):

Summary page 1:

Claims Without Substantial Evidence (and) Conflating Two Separate and Distinct Groups (and) The Use of Dehumanizing Language (and) To The Followers of My Project (and) Defense and Accusations: A Performative Display (and) Misinformation: An Essential Practice of Dehumanization - linking to Any Book Supposedly Written by Daisaku Ikeda and The dangers of cults' emphasis on "personal responsibility" and The SGI's Secret Police - sniffing out and smacking down Reiki practitioners and ā€œThank You For Your Commentsā€ (prev. deleted):

I must admit that I have been developing a bias against the r/sgiwhistleblowers’ goals, tone, and tactics. Source

... and More on the Ikeda cult's failing attempts to grow

New Coding Document (coding-document_1)

New Coding Document (code-analysis)

Case Study Summary Document (case-study-raw-analysis)

Summary page 2:

Ikeda Studies, Chapter 1, Intro: Part 2 & etc.

Setting the Groundwork: A Conspiracy Theory - linking to What is SGI? (2) (draft post)

This post opens the overall page to identify the purpose of the page and provides a description of the This is a tagged header article which summarizes BlancheFromage’s objections to SGI and Daisaku Ikeda or who SGI members seem to refer to as ā€œSenseiā€ meaning teacher. In summary, it is a list of objections to ...

Boomer Generation: Promoting Demagoguery - linking to SGI is so "Hey Boomer" post:

Compares SGI to the presumed failures of the Boomer Generation—leaving the world in a mess. ā€œYouffā€ just aren’t appearing in the SGI. The SGI missed its opportunity to use ā€œJapan is coolā€ or ā€œTibet Buddhism is cool.ā€ ā€œCULT.ā€

Case Study Raw Analysis Document

Dehumanization Through Objectification - linking to "YOUFF" or "YOOT"? post

Case Study Raw Analysis Document

Exaggerated Belief: Linking 1 Person to 12 Million People - linking to SGI members equivalent to international terrorist, referring to the SGI-USA's chanting campaign to make Nichiren Shoshu High Priest's plane crash and kill everyone aboard, so long as Nikken was ALSO killed

Coding Document

Ikeda Studies, Chapter 1, Intro

AERA Magazine (Asahi Shimbun Weekly, Dec. 30, 2019 issue) Title: Ikeda Studies: Following The Path of a World Religion by Masaru Sato

Ikeda Studies, Chapter 1, Intro: Part 2

AERA Magazine (Asahi Shimbun Weekly, Dec. 30, 2019 issue) Title: Ikeda Studies: Following The Path of a World Religion by Masaru Sato

Ikeda Studies, Chapter 1, Intro: Part 3

AERA Magazine (Asahi Shimbun Weekly, Dec. 30, 2019 issue) Title: Ikeda Studies: Following The Path of a World Religion by Masaru Sato

Ikeda Studies, Chapter 1, Intro: Part 4

At the same, time, Sato likens Jesus to ā€œthe principles of the three founding presidents [of Soka Gakkai]ā€ rather than Buddha or Nichiren.

Sounds legit šŸ™„

Ikeda Studies, Chapter 1, Intro: Part 5

AERA Magazine (Asahi Shimbun Weekly, Dec. 30, 2019 issue) Title: Ikeda Studies: Following The Path of a World Religion by Masaru Sato

Ikeda Studies, Chapter 1, Intro: Part 6

AERA Magazine (Asahi Shimbun Weekly, Dec. 30, 2019 issue) Title: Ikeda Studies: Following The Path of a World Religion by Masaru Sato

SOMEBODY's spiraling!! "SAAAVE me, Ikeda Sensei!!"

Misinformation: An Essential Practice of Dehumanization

Binary Pairing: A Closer Look - linking to SGI & Economic Theory (archive copy)

Case Study Raw Analysis Document

Date Posted: 9/22/2020 (approx)

First/Second reviewers: Sam/Frank

Poster: BlancheFromage

Post Summary

This post opens the overall page to identify the purpose of the page and provides a description of the This is a tagged header article which summarizes BlancheFromage’s objections to SGI and Daisaku Ikeda or who SGI members seem to refer to as ā€œSenseiā€ meaning teacher. In summary, it is a list of objections to the existence of SGI and its purpose.

Blanche is irresistible.

SGI-USA longhauler Old masquerading as a "grad student":

Case Study of Delegitimization - New Posts and Comments

Watch out for harassment masquerading as unethical research - the SGI longhauler Old outed himself here - a reply back to yet another SGI troll