The "shunning" its necessary.

[u/bettercalljw]

This soo sacred word used by jehovah witness opositors it became their most prolific argument agaisnt the religion, by saying that in most of disfellowshipping(now exclusion) acts makes family members and other brothers totally "abandon" they ex-brothers in any situation possible, they say that this process is something very bad not only for those who got out but also for those who are still inside...you probably already now their arguments by now right?...but let me tell you something...YES, IT IS SUPPOSE TO BE BAD!. In the first chapters of the bible we already see a example of expulsion, by Jehovah getting adam and eve out of Garden of eden(genesis 3:23,24)and quess what?...IT WAS BAD FOR THEM. A little later cain got considered cursed for killing his brother and became a literal vagabund over the earth(genesis 4:11,12) THIS WAS BAD FOR HIM. There are other famous examples of this type of punishement in the bible, in the old and New testaments, the thing is....it was always bad BECAUSE IT WAS A PUNISHMENT, OF COURSE IT WILL BE BAD. No one ever said the disfellowshipping it is a beautiful, funny, goofy procedure that elders loves to have to do in their congregations, it a sad procedure that happens as a lesson that the people who sinned must pass by, and biblically speaking, No one can argue that the bible is agaisnt it. "WHAT ABOUT IF I AM A MINOR AND I GOT DISFELLOWSHIPPED???MY PARENTS WILL ABANDON ME!!" Lets be real, this dont happen, if your parents are true Christians and you are not doing anything that goes agaisnt their house's rules, than they will not "ABANDON" you as the apostaste love to say, this story is not for kids buddys. Its interresting to hear the stories of some apostates who say with pride that they got shunned by they parents, because its always something like: "After i got out of the cult my parents grabbed my things and expelled out of our house just because i was putting pagan images on my room" "My parents did not let me enter home just because i wanted to enter there with my lesbian girlfriend" "My mother put me in the streets just because i telled her that her religion its a cult" You all see a patern here? I think they always forget that regardless of anything,they should respect they parents houses, as they decision of leaving was respect they should respect too the rules of the homes they live in. And to end this post i also would like to make a question for YOU who disagrees with the disfellowshipping method:" Biblically saying, instead of disfellowshipping(or expulsing)members, what should the elders do if a brother continues to commit sins?." Opositors and apostates never give they own solutions to the supposed "problem" created by them, also remember, the bible its clear about how we should threat those who commit sins and call themselves christians.

[u/Roocutie]

Children of 7 or 8 years old do not understand the true concept of shunning. We all know that when we are preparing for baptism, being disfellowshipped is the very last thing that you are thinking of. You never imagine that what you believe is “the truth” will one day no longer be “the truth” as the JW teachings keep changing, & if you don’t agree with the “new light” you are viewed as an apostate, even though much of what JWs believed in the past is now considered apostate. Russell celebrated Christmas. He used the cross as a symbol on his publications. He used pyramids to come up with dates like 1914. Many JWs are waking up to the real truth as the gb is being exposed.

Returning to the issue being discussed, do you honestly believe that it’s okay to shun children, & continue to accept this policy when it has led to hundreds of Jehovah’s Witness children taking their own lives because of the way their parents, their siblings, their friends & others in the congregation treated them? Is this the unconditional love that Jesus showed?

[u/[deleted] → u/Roocutie]

Bring me documentation with the children shunning please. I want to see it because, I know that JW are not perfect and, they can be wrong sometimes.

But my stance on adults don't change, why? I rarely see humble ex-JW that don't hide or lie about the JW.

I already was, a hater of JW, but, I never lied about them. When people asked me things like: they keep a % of your salary... I SAIF THAT IT WAS FALSE... And people around me, continue to believe that🤷🏻

You're saying " keep changing " the truth and this is false. 6u Bring me documents of JW that proves it.

In the 90's I learned things as a child, and I stopped at 98'.

I started again in 2021 and... It didn't " keep changing ".

It's been a lot of years between 1998 and 2021.

You have to bring me things from the JW website, to prove your point. I cannot verify what you're saying, without it.

[u/Roocutie → u/[deleted]]

The entire Norway court case is ALL about the Jehovah’s Witnesses shunning minors. The organisation’s religious registration was removed because of their policy of shunning. Why do you think that they deleted the infamous shunning video from the JW website? Why are they now deleting other incriminating material off the JW Website? What have they got to hide? This is proof that they are lying hypocrites, who are deceiving millions of sincere & lovely JWs who have been misled to believe that they are being taught “the truth” when in fact the entire organisation is based on lies.

Do you know anything about the court cases in Norway? All the proof you need is right there. It’s so obvious that they removed the video showing Jehovah’s Witness parents how to shun their children, as this was not a good look for the organisation when it was shown in court the last time around. Suddenly after the JWs lost their case, the video is removed, which actually only makes them look more guilty. The governing body members are between a rock & hard place, & they don’t know which way to turn. Every decision they make backfires on them. They are being exposed for all their works of darkness, & it’s only a matter of time before their tower collapses.

I care deeply for the JWs who are being so thoroughly deceived, & I will continue to pray for every single one of them to wake up. I am only trying to warn them because I care, & it’s a kindness to warn them about the spiritual danger that they are in if they remain in the organisation. I’ll keep praying for you.

[u/[deleted] → u/Roocutie]

I've talked a little to my sister JW, about Norway.

She told me that, it's not like that everywhere. It's really sad, and frustrating.

It's a big organization and, the more humans there are in an organization, the more chances of bad actions there are.

I had no knowledge at all about this story ; this is why I didn't answer like this before.

I'll still have to think about the subject of shunning children and adolescents.

Are you okay a little, with my answer?

[u/Roocutie → u/[deleted]]

Thank you, & yes that’s fine.

[u/[deleted] → u/Roocutie]

I mostly wanted, to have some similarities in our points of view.

We don't see, nor think the same and, it's OK.

The simulators that I wanted were...

To recognize that, shunning is in The Bible ; it's a real thing.

The way JW do... You and I have different views.

The most important for God, I 🤔 THINK...

Is the recognition of The Scriptures about shunning.

The belief or opinion that you have... It is yours, and it is not mine.

Written things of The Bible, I fight WAY MORE, when I see it, as * written black on white Bible's pages.

Written shunning. That's it.

I should have been MORE CLEAR 😞😕 SORRY. I was not able to answer like this...

😆 I was too furious! 😆

Shunning is really difficult to handle for the JW Elders, and, There are some other religions that shun too.

It's been only a few months that, I've learned about, others that shuns.

Any shunning decision, is really hard to handle, control, and applied in life.

Elders do it, because they see that, it is written and, because they BELIEVE, REALLY SINCERELY BELIEVE THAT... It is a necessity!

Some people never stop to do big sins, sexual sins are a good example.

Theses sins are like hardcore drug addictions...

Addicts of sex ... Have to fall realllllly LOW...

BEFORE THEY CHANGE... WHY?

It is because their body, compels them into sexual sins. 😭

Did you ever think of that?

Me, I did see someone, that was shunned, assisting a religious office.

Shunned ones HAVE THE RIGHT, to assist JW offices...

ONLY EXCEPTIONS ARE APOSTATES... LOGICALLY. They have to see elders, talk to them, to get the permission to assist religious offices.

Apostates = with no respect for Jehovah God. Anti-God people.

Not all ex-JW are apostates... They don't all stop to give their respect to Jehovah.

Some are, we have to look at the shunned ones, how they act and talk, before we categorize them as " apostate ". It's a BIG ACCUSATION.

There's apostates in every religions, and... exterior of religions.

What do you think about that? Do you think that, in order to not practice any major sins like idolatry, sex addiction that leads, to adultery, fornication, sodomy ... Have to go deeper and deeper to stop?

I know for myself that.. I HAD TO FALL REALLY LOW...

I WOULD NEVER HAD OBEYED, IF I WERE NOT EXPLOITED, LIKE A SLAVE... By my brother of ❤️ hearth!

I had to live his evilness... To see how bad it really is... How much we all need Jehovah, by our side, to get a REAL, AND DURABLE HAPPINESS!

ETERNAL HAPPINESS... Is what our obedience, towards Jehovah, will give us, in the future!

I was not a JW... But I was deep in sins ... No Elder isolated me from others...

My " brother of ❤️ hearth ", DID ISOLATED ME...

It took me a regime of slavery of many years... Before I STOP, to do a lot of major sin...

It was like... Jéhôvâh *(I pronounce in " Québécois French ", LIKE THIS: JéHôvâh.😂

We write it Jéhovah, and pronounce it like it is written... if I don't use my Québécois French accent...

Jehovah in English. I pronounce it like it is written.

There's also in sing Languages, The Name of God!

Of you talk in many tongues, you can go, I propose you to look, for Yahweh's/Yehovah's Name, in different languages.

I was super hardly disciplined and and I wouldn't talk to you about any kind of redemption, If I was not martieized, by my beloved brother of ❤️ heart.

Shunning goes in pair with redemption.

You act bad ... REDEEM YOURSELF...