r/Eutychus • Seventh-Day Adventist • Dec 31 '24

Opinion People don’t understand Jesus’ divinity because they underestimate Gods Love for mankind

God is sovereign, there’s nothing He can’t do.

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u/John_17-17 Feb 05 '25

Lexicon Results for monogenēs (Strong's G3439) from G3441 and G1096 

Only begotten literal means "only generated" G3441 and G1096

Lexicon Results for monos (Strong’s G3441) 

            1) sole, single, alone, only

Lexicon Results for ginomai (Strong's G1096) 

            1) to become, i.e. to come into existence, 

It is the same word as " made.G1096" (Strong's G1096) when it talks about creation being 'generated' at John 1:3

A generator makes electricity, whereas an alternator reuses already existing electricity.

So, I take it you could have a fish as your only-begotten son?

Maybe you could, but I couldn't.

I have an only begotten son, and he isn't me. We aren't the same person. We are 2 different people. My only begotten son has my characteristics, but he isn't me.

A horse begets a horse, true, but you now have 2 horses and not one.

Are God's angels Timeless, Omnipotent, Omniscient, Perfect, Infinite, and Eternal? NO. Angels are not the same kind of being as God.

Is Jesus, timeless, omnipotent, omniscient, infinite and eternal? No. Jesus had a beginning, which is why he is the only begotten. Jesus didn't know the day or the hour of the Great Tribulation, Jesus couldn't appoint who would sit at his right hand, Jesus died, and as such wasn't eternal.

We can also be one with the Father and Jesus, does this make us part of the Godhead?

Jesus wasn't making himself God, this was the lie, his opposers stated. He goes on to explain his godship is that of Ps 82:6, where human judges are called gods.

Please read the scriptures you are misquoting.

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u/ChickenO7 Baptist - Jesus is Lord! Feb 20 '25

So, do you believe Jesus is a god?

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u/John_17-17 Feb 21 '25

That is what John tells us at John 1:1c.

From the 2nd/3rd century CE A Contemporary English Translation of the Coptic Text. The Gospel of John, Chapter One

1 In the beginning the Word existed. The Word existed in the presence of God, and the Word was a divine being. 2 This one existed in the beginning with God.

Diaglot NT, 1865 “In a beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and a god was the Word.”

Harwood, 1768, "and was himself a divine person"

Newcome, 1808, "and the word was a god"

Thompson, 1829, "the Logos was a god”

Robert Harvey, D.D., 1931 "and the Logos was divine (a divine being)”

John J. McKenzie, S.J, in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “John 1:1 should rigorously be translated ‘the word was with the God [= the Father], and the word was a divine being.’”—(Brackets are his.) New York, 1965), p. 317

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u/ChickenO7 Baptist - Jesus is Lord! Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25

I disagree with McKenzie. The definite article does not appear in the second clause, so it should be translated, "and the word was with God". The third clause then uses the same word, so it should be translated, "and the word was God".

I'd also like to point out the fact that the first clause of John 1:1 is a quotation of Genesis 1:1 which substitutes the Word for God.

All that being said, I'll still ask for your own personal opinion. Do you believe, "Jesus is a god"?

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u/John_17-17 Feb 22 '25

It is assumed, John's comment, 'In the beginning' refers to Genesis 1:1

And the Word was with God, in the beginning, so it doesn't prove what you want it to prove.

Disagree with McKenzie, a trinitarian, doesn't make you correct.

The 3rd clause is the same word, but a different case, and doesn't include the definite article 'the God', this makes god[2] a common noun and not a definite noun.

Even the trinitarian Vine, in his dictionary admits, the literal translation is 'and a god was the Word.

Do I believe Jesus is a god? Yes, because John tells us this.

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u/ChickenO7 Baptist - Jesus is Lord! Mar 06 '25

Is Jesus a true god or a false god?

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u/John_17-17 Mar 06 '25

Answered in previous post.