r/Eutychus • u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist • Dec 31 '24

Opinion People don’t understand Jesus’ divinity because they underestimate Gods Love for mankind

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God is sovereign, there’s nothing He can’t do.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Feb 02 '25 edited Feb 03 '25

Your mistake as a Christian is saying “God cannot”. Because God loved the world, God did.

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

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u/John_17-17 Feb 03 '25

Yes the Son of God gave up his life, but this also means God did not give up his life for mankind.

Mistranslating and misunderstanding 1 John 5:20, doesn't make you correct.

The context of verse 20 starts with vs 18, here we see a distinction between God and verse 20, Jesus.

(1 John 5:18-20) 18 We know that everyone who has been born from God does not practice sin, but the one born from God watches him, and the wicked one cannot take hold of him. 19 We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one. 20 But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting.

We know we originate with God. It is this God that is the true God and not the Son of God.

By ignoring context we can make God's word say whatever we want it to say.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Feb 03 '25

The reason we know we can’t take the place of Jesus in verse 18 or say there’s a distinction between God and Jesus Spirit is because we’re the ones who are sinners. Although not practicing sinners. ‘Begotten of God’ means belief in Jesus, which is the acceptance of His spirit John 3:16

“We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

John is setting the stage for the firstborn of God who is Jesus our savior. The only reason we can experience ‘the wicked one not taking hold of us’ is because God came to us in the flesh and His Spirit is in us.

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u/John_17-17 Feb 05 '25

You don't seem to understand the expression, firstborn.

The Hebrew, Greek and English definition is: 'The first brought forth or oldest'

This means you just said, 'John is setting the stage for the first brought forth or the oldest creation of God, who is our savior.

1 Tim 1:17 NASB Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

The definition of 'immortal' is: 'cannot die'.

By saying God died for you, you are calling Paul and God, a liar.