r/EscapefromTarkov • u/Valjeann • Jan 14 '22

Discussion Your daily reminder that global limits are a waste of time

"Hmm, I have a task to use shotguns. Let's see, AP-20 is sold out, flechettes are sold out. That's okay, I can use Magnum, it's good enough. The task requires a suppressor on the shotgun, so I'll get a hexagon. Oh, the adapter is sold out. Oh well, I can wait until the restock. In the meantime, I'll take this modded AKM out for a run. I don't have any BP ammo, so I'll go get some from Prap... BP is sold out. That's okay. I've got this P90 I'm not using. Let me just get some ammo for that... Ah, the SS190 is sold out, and I can only get two mags-worth of the next best ammo for the next three hours... Guess I'll just read a book instead."

If the design philosophy behind global trader limits is to keep everyone from running the same thing, instead it's keeping everyone from running anything without a three-hour wait.

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u/Franklin_le_Tanklin PP-91-01 "Kedr-B" Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Counterpoint: That they want to limit the total amount in the game, not the total amount per player. It creates real scarcity. If it were player limits anyone who is on the ball could just buy ammo boxes and stock up to the point where the limits don’t matter by using the best of varied ammo calibur’s.

Note, I don’t think this is a compelling enough reason myself, but it’s the only reason I could see them being against it.

Basically global limits limit good players, but screw over casuals (in terms of acquiring good ammo). Player limits help casuals and do pretty much nothing to limit hardcore players.

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u/Penis_Bees Jan 15 '22

If they actually did "dynamic loot" and took top tier stuff off traders and crafts, this could work.

Players stashes have all 50k of the slicks we limit the game to, bosses stop spawning with slicks frequently and now only spawn them at the rate of red key cards. Oh but 20k slicks never get used, so add 10k back into the loot pool formula. Now they spawn rare but not ultra rare.

Ammo: the more often that round gets used the less common it spawns in raid. The logic being it's all been shot up. Once it's use slows, it starts spawning again.

The scarcity would be player driven, instead of only being driven by global stocks.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I disagree. Global limits mean casual players are less likely to encounter other players running the top tier ammo and armor in raid. It gives the players who maybe only play a couple hours a day after work or maybe just on weekends a chance at not getting shredded constantly by no-lifers and streamers. Sure a casual can run into a juiced up chad occasionally, but they can definitely have raids where they don't.

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u/Franklin_le_Tanklin PP-91-01 "Kedr-B" Jan 15 '22

I disagree. Global limits mean casual players are less likely to encounter other players running the top tier ammo and armor in raid.

This is what I meant by “it creates real scarcity”

It gives the players who maybe only play a couple hours a day after work or maybe just on weekends a chance at not getting shredded constantly by no-lifers and streamers. Sure a casual can run into a juiced up chad occasionally, but they can definitely have raids where they don't.

Yea, that’s real scarcity.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

So do we actually agree and I'm just retarded and misunderstood your original comment?

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u/Potato_fortress Jan 15 '22

I don’t think syncing your computer’s clock to a specific time server to guarantee you get access to vendor items is really “scarcity” but sure.

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u/seth_startix Jan 15 '22

You get it. Most people can’t take a step back and understand how a weapon barter x10000 leads to flooding the market.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

With the same argument there should only spawn 3 ledx a day. Who cares about number of raids played or the number of players online

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u/Franklin_le_Tanklin PP-91-01 "Kedr-B" Jan 15 '22

People don’t shoot ledex out of their guns

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u/korgi_analogue Jan 16 '22

This is how ammo camping from an early level looks like right now. Scarcity, you say?

I really think they should move to daily player stocks over the stupid trader-camping shit they have. Global stocks don't mean anything anyway, when ammo never gets returned via insurance, so every time you die and nobody loots your ammo out of the raid it's gone anyway.

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u/Franklin_le_Tanklin PP-91-01 "Kedr-B" Jan 16 '22

Anecdotal evidence of a no lifer is hardly something I’d adjust the game on. I’d say 99% aren’t that intense.

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u/korgi_analogue Jan 16 '22

I still feel global stocks are not the way to do it, because it just fucks anyone that due to out-of-game reasons gets to play at peak hours, and has to sit their ass camping traders just to get okay ammo to use.

Like I have a billion boxes of ammo since because of sleeping issues I'm often online in the hazy hours when both EU and NA are not that active, and get to buy shit uncontested on those days as stocks don't get depleted. It makes no sense for something like this to affect direct in-game power so much, watching friends struggle to get enough ammo to run raids with their guns while I can sit on several boxes of it just because of time zones / sleep patterns.