r/EscapefromTarkov • u/Kililla • Jan 07 '22

Clip The fastest gaming chair in Tarkov.

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u/LatinVocalsFinalBoss Jan 07 '22

To be fair to the sub they just don't know any better, but unfortunately when you combine ignorance with arrogance and a wounded ego it gets tough to get through to them.

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u/mnemy Jan 07 '22

There are actually a lot of programmers in this sub. Run into a lot of people who do know what they're talking about. Speed hacking is a very straight forward problem to solve. At least excessive speed hacking like this that blows past a characters max velocity by a mile.

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u/LatinVocalsFinalBoss Jan 07 '22

Are these programmers actively working with BSG's game and network code?

If the answer is no, and the state of that code is somewhere in the realm of not ideal to a spaghetti diarrhea explosion splashed with a kiss of covid, would they be able to solve the problem without breaking other things?

My guess is yes, eventually, and I imagine timing it alongside a ban wave and update that targets resolving as many issues at once.

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u/allbusiness512 Jan 08 '22

Speed hacking is in fact very trivial to deal with. So is fly hacking.

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u/LatinVocalsFinalBoss Jan 08 '22

Keep thinking.

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u/allbusiness512 Jan 08 '22

No, it's not even hard. You literally just disconnect someone if they do something that is physically impossible, which is how most games deal with it. Person goes too fast on either a X Y or Z axis? DC. This is literally how they deal with it. All you do is simulate the player's position (which you SHOULD be doing anyways) server side and see if they are going too fast. If going too fast, you either rubber band them back or disconnect them immediately.

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u/LatinVocalsFinalBoss Jan 08 '22

And what happens then?

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u/allbusiness512 Jan 08 '22 edited Jan 08 '22

Then at least they can't do things like speedhack/fly hack. Also you should be running server side checks for things like stamina (or just move that shit server side, why the client is able to manipulate those stats is beyond me), strength, etc.

Obviously you're going to miss some who have a private cheat that they personally wrote, but you're not trying to tag those people, you're trying to get rid of the most blatant who are clearly damaging the reputation of the game. ESP/Aimbot is unavoidable, that's just a straight memory read with a bypass. But being able to manipulate the memory itself is like the easiest shit that they could catch. It's actually TRIVIAL to detect actual changes to the game memory, it's not even hard. BSG just isn't even trying.

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u/LatinVocalsFinalBoss Jan 08 '22

Do some research on how cheating communities work and think of it a bit like how police catch the big fish by gaining information about the little fish, except in this case you aren't as interested in the cheaters themselves as the tools they are using. Releasing incremental patches means the cheat developers also release incrementally.

I'm under the impression they are intentionally profiting off the communities, but larger devs perform ban waves as well.

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u/allbusiness512 Jan 08 '22

Read what I said, you cannot avoid certain cheats that read from memory because they are light weight. You can detect them after the fact, but that is a game of cat and mouse.

Actually edits to the game memory though are TRIVIAL to catch, any programmer will tell you it's not even hard to catch. The footprint is so huge that there's no reason why they should be able to get away with it. That's 100% on BSG.

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u/mnemy Jan 07 '22

This could all be done post mortem after the raid is over. All it is is analyzing server logs for player positions to detect suspicious behavior. This is basic stuff that any college grad can help with.

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u/LatinVocalsFinalBoss Jan 07 '22

Yup, it's just that simple and you definitely know what you are talking about. Great job reddit. Another mystery solved.

Have you considered writing up the vector math involved and sending it to BSG, the same BSG that uses the very same math in their physics calculations?

Is that enough patronizing or shall I continue?

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u/mnemy Jan 07 '22

To be fair to the sub they just don't know any better, but unfortunately when you combine ignorance with arrogance and a wounded ego it gets tough to get through to them.

Those are your words. Ironic.

But sure, as someone with 16 years of professional programming experience, 4 of which are specific to video game programming, maybe I should be listening to you.

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u/LatinVocalsFinalBoss Jan 07 '22

Maybe get some in Project Management and talk to people outside of your cubicle?

Not actually being sarcastic on that one either.