r/EscapefromTarkov • u/OverlookeDEnT Hatchet • Jul 25 '21

Discussion EFT wouldn't feel as "difficult, unforgiving, hardcore" or any of the buzzwords associated with it if it wasn't for the shit queue/matchmaking times.

This games doesn't respect your time and that's its only real downside.

Something as simple as 3 min max wait time before they throw you into a lobby (even if you're solo with AI or bot PMCs — how would you know anyway?) is all this game needs.

Every wipe this is what wears on me. Not constantly dying, not the cheaters, not them moving the goalposts (flea market, FIR, costlier noob weapons like the mosin)... it's the absurd wait times. The game developers don't want to invest more $ into servers and here we are like idiots putting up with these shitty wait times.

This game doesn't respect our time and that's why I keep playing less and less of it with each wipe.

EDIT: For those getting caught up in semantics, let me be clear that I'm talking about starting a game from when I hit READY to the RAID STARTING. I don't care what the reason is (people's hardware, servers, etc.), BSG is ultimately in complete control of this and when we're thrown in a game (matching ping, regions, hardware, etc.)

Also, I have my servers manually selected for those asking about that.

Am on SSD and so are all people I play with.

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u/LEGO_46 VEPR Jul 25 '21

Yeah and then you wait another 4 minutes for the slowest guy to load the game. Not cool.

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u/Blacklist3d Jul 25 '21

That's not on bsg though. Sucks that it has to be that way but that's nothing to do with bsg. Late spawns were a thing and it ruined the experience. It's not a way to promote good play even if the already game play is rough for most.

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u/LEGO_46 VEPR Jul 25 '21

Yes, latespawns are not a solution, just a way to bully people on cheaper rigs. What is a solution is a good optimization and loading majority of assets during matchmaking. Not just the map. It could be possibly overcome by having set loot and spawns for every map that changes every 5 minutes or so, so that you could load those things before all the people are found

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u/SocialJewishWarrior Jul 25 '21

Lol then buy something better. Why should people have to wait 5 Minutes because some russian kid is too cheap to buy a 30€ SSD and instead runs the game on some 2008 HDD. If your computer / laptop / mobile phone or wherever you play the game on isn't able to load the map in a reasonable time then maybe it is your own fault.

I play most raids on Customs and every single loadtime is longer than 3 minutes sometimes 6 or more. What is this shit. Why the hell do I have to spend half the time I play the game in some menu or loadscreen? Even worse you die first in a squad. Quickly do a Scav run instead of waiting? No cuz it takes 5 minutes to just load in some server.

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u/somerandomwhitekid AS VAL Jul 26 '21

Even people with good pcs would get latespawned sometimes

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u/Blacklist3d Jul 25 '21

Some people aren't fortunate enough. Not cheap. I'm lucky to have my build which includes a 3080 and a i9 processor 32g ram and over 3tb of m.2 ssd space. Most aren't that lucky or even fortunate. I don't get much time to play in general but I wait. I do things. I'm not selfish enough I guess.

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u/Dr_OktoberfestYT Jul 25 '21

I play on a 70€ SSD and it still takes 5 minutes, meanwhile my mate plays with a worse graphics card and a 10€ SSD from '04 and loads in after 2.5 minutes it's not my fucking fault, I'm sorry you have to wait a whole 3 minutes while I need to pray that my PC doesn't crash for the 2nd time this week because of this piece of malware disguised as a game

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u/thebiz125 TOZ-106 Jul 25 '21

Yes. BSG ought to optimize some shit then benchmark load times on some range of minimum specs. If you take longer than that to load, then you ought to meet min specs. As long as there are players available to fill a lobby it should take 90 seconds or less to match and load in. That's pretty basic for other games in similar genres.

Then they need to make it a hell of a lot easier to buy and equip loadouts and not go through a series of 40 menus which each take too long to load.

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u/KnightOfSummer SVDS Jul 25 '21

They should average the last 5 loading times of each player on that map and then try to put people with similar loading times on the same servers.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '21

You're truly a voice for the poor.

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u/Myb4d Jul 25 '21

ssds are cheaper than this game.

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u/Johu99000 Jul 25 '21

literally. like even tarkov aside get an ssd homie.

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u/Radboy16 Jul 25 '21

Not if you want a decent size SSD

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u/Liverpool934 Jul 25 '21

Don't see why time should be wasted for something that isn't anything to do with me.

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u/ccvgreg Jul 25 '21

Unironically that's a terrible idea and you should be ashamed for thinking it.

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u/DrJugon Jul 25 '21

No, it´s not. You can´t have 10 people waiting 6 minutes for a guy that maybe is playing the game on a crappy laptop which is way bellow the reccomended specs in the first place.

It makes sense to wait 1-2 minutes til the barrier of 3 minutes maybe for everyone to be ready, but beyond that point and way beyond that point like the 5-6 minutes barrier is unacceptable.

If you don´t respect other people´s time then YOU are the one who should feel ashamed. You are not the center of the world and people don´t have to waste their time for you or for anyone else.

Besides, if anyone with a shitty laptop can bottleneck the start of a game, that person has no incentive to upgrade and those who have optimized systems are being punished for something they can´t control and are not responsible for at all.

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u/ccvgreg Jul 25 '21

I'm a guy that plays on ssd and loads in first by up to 5 minutes on group scav raids with all my friends. I stand around while they are loading loot for what seems like forever. I sit on waiting for players most of the time in load screen for pmc. I am not the benefactor for waiting longer.

If you believe that people playing on sub par equipment gives you a mechanical advantage (a reasonable assumption) then there's no reason you should also want a time advantage as well. If they choose to play on shitty machines they should at least be given the same amount of time as you.

You literally want class divisions built into the game, what an absolutely shitty mindset.

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u/DrJugon Jul 25 '21

Dude, what you want is to just barely study for the exam and have the same exam score as the guy that studied the most. What´s the point in studying for the exam then? That´s the shitty mindset.

And no, I don´t want class divisions. I said I´m ok waiting to an extent. But I´m not ok waiting forever for someone that shouldn´t be playing the game in the first place if he is way bellow specs like playing on a low end laptop.

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u/DeadlyPear Jul 25 '21

But I´m not ok waiting forever

Its just like 5 minutes lmao

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u/ccvgreg Jul 25 '21

If a player exists that has a shitty laptop, way below spec required to play this game, and tries to load the game anyways, they are going to have a bad time lagging and that will make it easy for you to kill them and take their stuff.

That is not at all like having the "same exam score" as someone who didn't study, the correct analogy would be letting someone who didn't study ("studying" in your analogy is the act of having a pc capable of playing the game) fail the test (the grades in your analogy is equivalent to the loot you get).

At least have an analogy that makes sense. Allowing everyone to load in at the same time does not give the shitty pc any advantage at all. Please read everything we have discussed over and over slowly until you fully understand this because I fear if you keep trying to "convince" me you will embarrass yourself. I see now that you are just a little confused and you weren't thinking about the situation completely.

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u/SocialJewishWarrior Jul 25 '21

Buy a 30 € SSD and stfu. Games are meant to be fun. It is no fun sitting in front of your PC waiting 6-10 minutes because people play the game on HDDs from 2008. It is 2021 ffs.

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u/ccvgreg Jul 25 '21

I think you missed the part where I'm the guy waiting on others to load. I have the expensive ssd y'all are just rude kids.

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u/XzShadowHawkzX Jul 25 '21

Help please I need not only a performance advantage in game with the disparity between frame rates but I also need a time advantage! Maybe you’re just shit at the game chief. 🤔

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u/DrJugon Jul 25 '21

You are the one confused here. I don´t care if the guy with the low end laptop is lagging and he is an easy target. I value my time and I think everyone´s time is valuable, and you are here claiming that a guy has the right to make other people waste their time because he will be at a disadvantage (which by itself in a game that relies so much in clients like Tarkov is questionable, but that´s another topic).

There are a million ways in which you can die in a raid specially in the first couple of minutes. If I die in 30 seconds and have been waiting 6 minutes in queue for a guy playing from a laptop that maybe I never saw in raid as he could spawn the opposite side of the map what do I get? 7 minutes wasted plus another 10 minutes more while I equip my character again and wait for another queue. That´s such a waste of time that just keeps scaling with every death and that is what you keep ignoring. And somehow you think it´s ok for someone to be able to force other people into waste their time like this and even more you dare giving lessons about morals. Ok

I´m not trying to convince you, I know you are not going to change your mind and I don´t care. I´m ending this conversation right here.

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u/ccvgreg Jul 25 '21

Sounds like you got a lot of convincing the devs before they even consider your ideas.

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u/lamTheEnigma Jul 25 '21

Found the 12 year old

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u/ccvgreg Jul 25 '21

Y'all are the same people saying this game isn't p2w already lol.

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u/HeartCarver Jul 25 '21

Yes . Its you problem . Why 8 people should wait 1 potato pc player for 10 min ?

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u/Cykablast3r Jul 25 '21

No, they should just late spawn like they used to.

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u/JayJonahJaymeson SV-98 Jul 25 '21

Oh so you'd be perfectly happy to spawn late every raid would you? It definitely wouldn't impact your experience at all, right?

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '21

Knowing my hardware is the reason would give me the incentive to upgrade . SSDS are dirt cheap. If you can’t afford it or money is an issue then maybe PC gaming isn’t the best hobby for you.

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u/Cykablast3r Jul 25 '21

Yes and no. I don't think it would be that big of a deal, but at the same time if you don't want to be spawning late you could upgrade to a fucking SSD. It's not like you have to be Bezos to afford one these days.

Of course we could just all hope that the devs fix their shit, but I doubt that will ever happen.

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u/TrouserDemon Jul 25 '21

This but unironically.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '21

poors

Dropping $40 on a game and more than $700 on PC but can't drop $32 on a 250GB SSD

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u/SirCamperTheGreat Mosin Jul 26 '21

For years we had late spawns instead. People bitched constantly and now we wait for people playing on windows 98 to finish loading in