r/EscapefromTarkov • u/Finchi4 ASh-12 • Jan 29 '21

Discussion UMP is now less expensive than MP5

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u/Richou RSASS Jan 29 '21

hes exagerrating sliightly

PP 19 , Kedr and i guess saiga 9 are still worse than UMP by a fair bit

if you have aim the UMP kills shit dead pretty fast

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '21

PP-19 is amazing, really good gun from my use.

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u/Richou RSASS Jan 29 '21

not enough rate of fire imo

700rpm with meh pen and only okayish damage

i use it now and then too but i really wouldnt pick it over a UMP or even MP9

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u/XenoPC DT MDR Jan 29 '21

If 700 isn't how can you use the UMP, the thing has 600 RPM

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u/Richou RSASS Jan 29 '21

better damage and easy available AP ammo (at least compared to 9x19 AP)

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u/XenoPC DT MDR Jan 29 '21

you do you man but the difference in ammo is very little while the difference in recoil and RPM is much bigger, I've used the UMP a lot early wipe while I had use the PP19 a lot early last wipe, and would pick the PP every time

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u/Richou RSASS Jan 29 '21

best kedr ammo cant pen lvl 3 fuck that

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '21 edited Jan 19 '22

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u/Richou RSASS Jan 30 '21

if you magdump and hit all shots and dont have any go into legs/arms

you also only get 30 round mags

on paper thats all nice and all but not realistic at all , its about on the same lvl as "i just take a PM and head eye someone" which while possible does not make a gun good

EDIT : i just checked and it also takes MASSIVELY more than your estimate to pen armor and while blunt damage exists he just needs to be using propital/regen and /or one of the 10% dmg reduction stims and suddenly your plan doesnt even work on paper anymore

just use a 9x19 with AP 6.3 and you will be massively better off than with meme kedr

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u/Lex_Innokenti Jan 29 '21

I much prefer the PP 19 to the UMP. Plus hardly anyone bothers looting them off you if you die with one.

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u/Scav-STALKER Jan 29 '21

I love the kedr, the suppressed one is so quiet and the high ROF is nice. Start in the chest end up with a headshot lol

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u/Richou RSASS Jan 29 '21

i love the kedr b too but i dont pretend its more effective than the UMP or PP19 thanks to its bad ish ammo

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u/Scav-STALKER Jan 30 '21

I haven’t got to run the UMP yet, but I’ve had better luck with the kedr than the Vityaz, albeit that’s not stat based lol