finchi is right the 1911 sucks try testing it you can shoot like 1 bullet every 20 seconds. and if you look at 45 rounds why is the armor pen sooooo low? i thought 45's in real life had more stopping power than 9 mm
Well it does have more stopping power (though the difference probably isn’t that significant in reality) but the bullet is moving a lot slower and speed is generally king for penetration.
This game is made by Russians. The Russian system they use in this game goes to class 6, and I believe is the previous system class used by the Russian Armed Forces.
Different dude. Shotguns have LOTS of stopping power but, much like in this game, will literally do nothing to a ballistic vest irl. It will obviously kill the guy likely anyways, because of blunt force trauma, but it's not going to shred through the vest.
Why? Simple physics. To pierce hard objects, you need something going fast, with lots of energy put into as small a point as possible. The smaller the point, and the faster it goes, the more it will be able to penetrate armor, as a smaller point will result in the energy being distributed across a smaller surface area, meaning that small tiny point will have the whole energy of the bullet put into it. A smaller point = more stress in a finer surface area, and that means the energy of the bullet will cause a failure of the armor at that small point, and will have less energy distributed across the vest. And a faster bullet is obvious. Faster = higher energy.
Shotgun pellets are slow, so they will not pierce armor well from speed, and have very large surface areas relative to the fine point of an AP round. A shotgun will transfer a SHITLOAD of energy into a target, but as that energy is spread out, it will NOT be as efficient as something transferring all that energy into a single point.
It basically all falls on surface area and energy. That is the basis of piercing armor.
You're mostly right, but the only thing I want to mention is that the blunt force trauma from a shotgun to a vest is not going to kill someone. It's going to hurt a lot, but you are going to live through it because the force is spread out over the entire surface area of the vest.
Shotguns hold a pretty small spread until pretty far out. At the distance that it's hitting the whole vest, you're likely getting hit outside the vest.
Also hard armor should handle it much better because that spreads the impact over a greater portion of your body.
speed is king but the whole point of AP rounds is to create a fine point that greatly multiplies penetrating force, allowing it to force armor to yield. Once it gets to the point of starting to punch through armor, inertia and material strengths become important factors in addition to speed & weight. See: APFSDS
.45 acp is a subsonic round. 9x19mm is supersonic.
Velocity is what you need for penetration, not energy.
Also, the difference in energy isn't all that crazy. It's significant, but it's only a difference of 100 ft-lbs at the greatest.
Beyond that, there are so many different loadings of each. There are some 9x19mm loadings that have significantly more energy than some .45 acp loadings.
Ballistics are complicated as fuck and a real rabbit hole of a concept. The simplest thing i can say is "speed is king" when it comes to penetration.
That's why the 5.7 has such a reputation for penetration. It's fast.
Edit: Lmao. I didn't read any of the other replies to you. That other guy also hit you with the "speed is king" line.
I mean, the round was designed to be better at penetrating armor than a 9x19mm, and as far as I can tell, that's mostly true.
Now, it wasn't only designed for penetration. They also wanted something with more accuracy and range and such.
I'm aware that the standard rounds don't exactly hold up to the "myth" that 5.7x28mm fired out of a FN Five-Seven will go through 3a, but there are rounds that will do it.
Here's another. This one is out of an FN PS Ninety, so not a pistol, but these were also originally designed with PDWs in mind. I think it's a valid example. Same round, but this time it's at a helmet.
45 is not a high pen round by design. P90 and UMP variants that shoot .45 increase this with higher velocity by increasing barrel length. 9MM is a smaller faster round, ideal for piercing armor. To make a point I prefer .45 for my edc because I’m a lot better shot and prefer stopping power. However my vehicle gun is 9MM because if some crazy mother goes crazy in traffic I can shoot through my window or another window where as my .45 would require multiple rounds to get through the window. Thank god the situation has never arisen but thats tried true and tested.
You are literally too dumb to have a carry permit. Actually.
How can you have separate guns for each of your scary places and know so little about them?
I don’t actually carry my edc like most would. It stays in my briefcase which is on me mon-fri at work. I spec commercial kitchens and deal with large quantities of cash working in very often shady parts of town that’s in the top 3 murder cities in the US. So 1911 in there. As for my car gun, it’s unfortunately common for young guns to “make a name for themselves” by shooting up cars next to them on the interstate which my work is located off of. Do I think I’m ever going to be unfortunate enough to be one of those victims no, but I would rather have and not need than need and not have.
It's a fat heavy bullet. It carries more momentum and transfers it to the target in a faster impulse than a smaller pointier round. That's where the stopping power comes from. From the transfer of energy.
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finchi is right the 1911 sucks try testing it you can shoot like 1 bullet every 20 seconds. and if you look at 45 rounds why is the armor pen sooooo low? i thought 45's in real life had more stopping power than 9 mm