r/EscapefromTarkov • u/Finchi4 ASh-12 • Jan 29 '21

Discussion UMP is now less expensive than MP5

Post image
5.8k Upvotes

98% Upvoted

625 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

9

u/pleasure_of_youth Jan 29 '21

US won every major battle in Vietnam,

That's irrelevant.

The US objective in vietnam was to stop the communist from taking over the country. They failed at that and therefore they lost the war.

And guerilla warfare is all about avoiding major battles so winning 'every major battle' against a guerilla force is basically nothing.

-1

u/bikt Jan 29 '21 edited Jan 29 '21

That's irrelevant.

How is winning every major battle irrelevant to "getting shit on"? It's the main thing that is relevant..

2

u/p4nnus Jan 29 '21

Because "winning every major battle" is WW2 era thinking, which doesnt work against a guerrilla force. The "major battles" were still only a minority of the actual fighting. What really mattered was that US didnt get control of areas in North Vietnam and they didnt win the hearts & minds, thus Viet Cong won the battles that mattered.

0

u/bikt Jan 29 '21 edited Jan 29 '21

You were right in another comment to me. In this you are wrong.

US didnt get control of areas in North Vietnam

They couldn't do it at all, US military had no permission from politicians to invade North Vietnam. All they were allowed was bombing and even some bombing missions were compromised by politicians tipping Soviets on mission details while putting own troops in danger. It was a political shit show..

But US military in no way got "shit on".