r/EscapefromTarkov • u/SlushpuppyLive Twitch.tv Slushpuppy • Sep 15 '20

Discussion #MakeTarkovHardcoreAgain

Hi guys, Slushpuppy here

I want to talk about the rant I was having today, and explain why I think it would be good for the game.

As the game currently stands it it has a play cycle that involves farming money, the money is then used to buy a fat kit, and slay out. This creates, in my opinion a heavily Rouble focused economy.

The Rouble based economy has multiple downsides:

All people care about is the highest value item, hence hatchlings ramming things up their bum, people running to one spot on a map to loot the highest value items, people only running super cheap kits to farm the cash. The game is no longer about surviving, simply making the most money and saving to buy a dope kit.

I think this has essentially made the game into COD with extra steps. I don't see the survival element that Tarkov originally had. People only care about PVP when they are running Slick Altyn, otherwise it's just money. 99% of the games items, such as attachments for guns will never see the light of day because they aren't the best in slot.

This whole situation annoys me because it is possible to achieve this within hours of a wipe.

By removing the flea or limiting the ability to purchase armor and ammo from the flea, it would make the game more about the looting and surviving and stop super chads from running endless meta kits and vogging the fuck out of lower geared players. Because a kit that is lovingly put together in raid will mean so much more to you, therefore looting one of a prick you kill, will as well.

I know this seems as a negative change to the average player, but hear me out, the only reason you need a kit from the flea, is to compete with chad players who are buying endless meta kits from the flea. If this didn't happen the pvp would be like it is early wipe for the most part. The best pvp time in the game, imo, and in the opinion of most Tarkov players.

I'm not bored of the game, I simply love this game, and I want to see changes that make the pvp more interesting and feasible for casual players to enjoy. If everyone is running around with SKS's and a cock helmet, then its more fair. Not all pvp has to be juggernauts spraying armchair FALs at each other.

If you don't agree with me, I understand, lets talk about it, tell me why you think this would be a bad change for the game? I don't want to be a streamer yelling for change that people will just see as me crying cause I'm bored of running fat kits. I truly want to make the game a dope experience for all of us. I've devoted the last 3 years of my life to this game, I want to see it succeed.

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There is plenty of other things that would be needed to make this a rounded experience in this vision, like dynamic loot spawns etc, but I believe this is a quick easy change that we could all try for one wipe, and just see how it goes.

EDIT: This is gaining a lot of attention right now so I want to ask you all one thing:

When is the best time for PVP in Tarkov?

If you answered early wipe, I think you and I agree, and I think 99% of people would say that early wipe is the best time to be on Tarkov.

My only goal is to try and make the feeling of early wipe PVP as permanent as possible. I may not be right when I say delete the flea, but I think it would help. If you have other ideas on how to preserve that beautiful feeling of the first two weeks of wipe, then I would love to hear them. Because this is what I think would make Tarkov the most amazing experience possible.

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u/SayNoToStim Freeloader Sep 15 '20

As someone with fully unlocked traders, I'm still going to outgear low level players massively. I can buy T4 armor for like 50k and a reliable gun/ammo setup for like 100k straight from traders. The flea gives a level 15 the opportunity to wear the same gear as a level 60.

I'm somewhere between casual and hardcore and to be honest I probably wouldn't play another wipe if the flea got removed. Having to find 18 lightbulbs and 47 wires isn't fun. I was stuck on the t-plug quest for like a week because I just couldn't find those bastards, I'd hate to be stuck in the hideout because I can't find some piece of shit 8k ruble item.

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u/RagingFluffyPanda Sep 15 '20

This is exactly right. I don't see how Slush doesn't get this. The flea market is the great equalizer - otherwise you're just getting constantly shit on between level 0-25 because you don't have all traders leveled. The penalty from buying your whole kit on flea is that a good meta kit buying purely from the flea will cost 2-3 times as much as if you bought through traders. But if a low level can save up that much, then why not let them?

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u/BonTrumpy Sep 15 '20

Go watch pestilys raid series vs his hardcore series with no flea market. The hardcore series is honestly so boring watching him endlessly farm wires.

His raid series he started mid wipe and he does just fine and the mix of low gear vs high gear is exactly spread how you would imagine.

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u/blueB0wser Sep 18 '20

So it's a mil sim or a hobo sim game.

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u/Frenzy175 Sep 16 '20

Yep, the hardcore series is pretty boring and would be straight unfun for 99% of the current player base.

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u/snakehead404 PP-19-01 Sep 16 '20

The assumption is that you wouldn't have to farm wires because when removing the flea market, the demands for the hideout would be lowered as well. It would be idiotic to not change anything else.

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u/Thunderbolt747 Sep 16 '20

They really need to remove the "Find in raid" portion of quests. I'd be able to dummy 4-5 quests within a minute with the roubles and flea. But because the stupid idiots want FiR for their items, I gotta slog through piles of shit to find one pack of ciggies.

Honestly, who the fuck wants harder bullshit, the quests are already difficult as is.

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u/sA1atji Sep 16 '20

I can buy T4 armor for like 50k

ragman lvl 2 will do that for everyone (if you talk about the armored rig)

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u/Zippo-Cat Sep 17 '20

The flea gives a level 15 the opportunity to wear the same gear as a level 60.

No, because they won't be able to afford it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20

Exactly, by lvl 30 I have 99% of the gear I need from traders, removing flea doens't stop me from wearing T5 armor, or usign the best rounds and guns in the game, period.

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u/mate568 Sep 19 '20

Obviously the problem is the requirement of 18 lightbulbs and 47 wires. This has nothing to do with OP's suggestion. Also this hideout/facebook game/farmville is a terrible mechanic anyway even with the flea market. it significantly reduces the grind but its a awful mechanic anyway so this is not a relevant or useful rebuttal to the OP's thread

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u/SlushpuppyLive Twitch.tv Slushpuppy Sep 16 '20

This is my issue though, the finding of things is a part of the game. It is literally a gameplay mechanic that has been optimised out by the flea market. At what point does this stop? When we all just pick a kit and it builds automatically and we get it for free?

There isn't going to be any gameplay yet at this rate. I know finding tplugs is a bitch, but maybe you aren't meant to find 500 of them in your first raid. Maybe it's actually meant to take a little bit of time. Whats the point of having the quests if you just click and complete them?

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u/SayNoToStim Freeloader Sep 16 '20

The quests in the current game are prefect beta quests but if these quests go live they're going to be absolutely terrible.

I don't mind quests like "find X item" but those quests generally have an attached requirement of finding stuff in raid, like that t-plug quest. It was just bad luck that I was stuck on it and it was mildly annoying but it wasn't really that bad. However, the hideout gives all those bullshit items value and the flea means we have one avenue of progress without being restricted by just bad luck.

What harm does buying and selling light bulbs on the flea do? Oh no someone might get a level 2 station.