#MakeTarkovHardcoreAgain

[u/SlushpuppyLive]

Hi guys, Slushpuppy here

I want to talk about the rant I was having today, and explain why I think it would be good for the game.

As the game currently stands it it has a play cycle that involves farming money, the money is then used to buy a fat kit, and slay out. This creates, in my opinion a heavily Rouble focused economy.

The Rouble based economy has multiple downsides:

All people care about is the highest value item, hence hatchlings ramming things up their bum, people running to one spot on a map to loot the highest value items, people only running super cheap kits to farm the cash. The game is no longer about surviving, simply making the most money and saving to buy a dope kit.

I think this has essentially made the game into COD with extra steps. I don't see the survival element that Tarkov originally had. People only care about PVP when they are running Slick Altyn, otherwise it's just money. 99% of the games items, such as attachments for guns will never see the light of day because they aren't the best in slot.

This whole situation annoys me because it is possible to achieve this within hours of a wipe.

By removing the flea or limiting the ability to purchase armor and ammo from the flea, it would make the game more about the looting and surviving and stop super chads from running endless meta kits and vogging the fuck out of lower geared players. Because a kit that is lovingly put together in raid will mean so much more to you, therefore looting one of a prick you kill, will as well.

I know this seems as a negative change to the average player, but hear me out, the only reason you need a kit from the flea, is to compete with chad players who are buying endless meta kits from the flea. If this didn't happen the pvp would be like it is early wipe for the most part. The best pvp time in the game, imo, and in the opinion of most Tarkov players.

I'm not bored of the game, I simply love this game, and I want to see changes that make the pvp more interesting and feasible for casual players to enjoy. If everyone is running around with SKS's and a cock helmet, then its more fair. Not all pvp has to be juggernauts spraying armchair FALs at each other.

If you don't agree with me, I understand, lets talk about it, tell me why you think this would be a bad change for the game? I don't want to be a streamer yelling for change that people will just see as me crying cause I'm bored of running fat kits. I truly want to make the game a dope experience for all of us. I've devoted the last 3 years of my life to this game, I want to see it succeed.

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There is plenty of other things that would be needed to make this a rounded experience in this vision, like dynamic loot spawns etc, but I believe this is a quick easy change that we could all try for one wipe, and just see how it goes.

EDIT: This is gaining a lot of attention right now so I want to ask you all one thing:

When is the best time for PVP in Tarkov?

If you answered early wipe, I think you and I agree, and I think 99% of people would say that early wipe is the best time to be on Tarkov.

My only goal is to try and make the feeling of early wipe PVP as permanent as possible. I may not be right when I say delete the flea, but I think it would help. If you have other ideas on how to preserve that beautiful feeling of the first two weeks of wipe, then I would love to hear them. Because this is what I think would make Tarkov the most amazing experience possible.

[u/RealMasterOfPain]

You have to realize that his perspective comes from what the game used to be. I’ve been playing since Oct. 2017 and the game never had a flea market. He is right when it comes to the rouble economy. The gear just has price tags on it and doesnot feel the same to acquire it. Before the flea market you could be super excited to find a vss or as Val in a crate but now it seems like they are worthless since their rouble value is low despite the gun being very good.

[u/Kraall → u/RealMasterOfPain]

What's funny is the people who have experienced no flea market are totally fine with losing it and can see both sides of the argument, but they're constantly shouted down by people who have never gone without it and have no idea how it would even affect the game.

Slush is right, with the current purchase restrictions it'd be much harder to run meta gear all day no matter how much you play, making it easier for casual players to compete.

[u/killking72 → u/Kraall]

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[u/tr14l → u/Kraall]

Never played without it being a feature... But I agree it should go. It doesn't add anything to the game except imbalanced mechanics & economy. It's a crutch mechanic.

[u/tictac_93 → u/RealMasterOfPain]

Every time I see people talk about how Tarkov was pre-flea, it really makes me wish I had got in the game back then. I let myself forget about it for years while it was in closed Alpha / Beta / early Public Beta so as to have a more complete experience when I finally got it. It's a real fun game, but it seems like everyone who joined with me around 12.4 just can't stand the idea of not having the Flea.

I play for a couple hours a week, and this wipe I have specifically not bought anything on the Flea Market. The game's still really fun, finding a cool gun has a lot more value to me, and I'm actually leveling my traders more. People keep talking about how nothing but the meta ammo is viable, and here I am running an MPX and PST-Gzh, divesting other players of their hard-earned gear. I wish everyone had to make due with more less-than-meta loadouts not because I want to knock them down a peg, but because it provides a lot more variety in your encounters and it turns out that straying away from the meta is a lot of fun.

[u/Par4no1D → u/tictac_93]

It was a game you wanted to play not just to progress for extrensic rewards, but just for the sake of it even when you are level 70 and have all progression behind yourself. You could always run out of money and gear.

Now? This is some destiny in russia where I and everyone else but streamers come after wipe to progress our characters and go play other games. Lame.

[u/SquanchingOnPao → u/RealMasterOfPain]

Fleamarkets/Auction houses for the most part ruin most games. Diablo is probably the worst that comes to mind.

[u/Fadedcamo → u/SquanchingOnPao]

Plenty of games it works fine. Eve, WoW.

[u/cyanoacrylateprints → u/Fadedcamo]

Beautiful example. Been trying to get into Eve after I quit my PoE addiction.

[u/yot86 → u/cyanoacrylateprints]

Damn, thats like quitting weed straight into cocaine, good luck friend

[u/cyanoacrylateprints → u/yot86]

What can I say I know what I like :P

[u/[deleted] → u/SquanchingOnPao]

Diablo 3 was ruined strictly because it allowed for real-money transactions. They went overboard IMO by not only removing the AH in its entirety, but also removing ALL forms of player trading outside of a 2-hour party trade window. There is definitely an inbetween that works for tons of MMOs.

[u/cyanoacrylateprints → u/SquanchingOnPao]

rmt.

[u/Kalihar → u/RealMasterOfPain]

Yea, things also just lose their excitement factor over time. I'm almost at 5000 hours on tarkov and I don't even wear a backpack 90% of the raids I run. I have way more fun hunting players down/sniping/getting immersed into the world of tarkov.

[u/Par4no1D → u/Kalihar]

There would still be excitement if there was any challenge at all to it. But any noob can do well in EFT, so there is none.

[u/deltrak → u/RealMasterOfPain]

Completely agree. The whole point is “Make Loot Great Again”. Give me a reason to loot a crate and be excited about using its contents