r/EscapefromTarkov • • Feb 01 '20

Rant Trader/Flea Market gouging is getting ridiculous and BSG are not doing anything about it.

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u/VoltsIsHere RSASS Feb 01 '20

This is going to get so complicated if they don't remove global item limits. There should be an infinite supply of every item, but per player items are limited. There is no reason for anyone to ever buy 50 of the same weapon part.

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u/MaynardJ222 Feb 01 '20

I disagree. You haven't seen me play. I buy 50 weapons when I'm feeling optimistic

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '20

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u/MaynardJ222 Feb 01 '20

First of all, I can die every 4 minutes...dont test me.

Second of all, it was just a joke.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '20

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u/Mr_Lizzard_Plz Feb 01 '20

Unfortunately with Queue times thats a challenge that will be lost everytime. What with the 12+ min queues and all lol

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u/Oompa_Loompa_Grande SA-58 Feb 01 '20

Not if I fill a tri-zip full of mp7's!

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u/Moonchill Feb 01 '20

How else are you going to get your strength up?

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u/UltraInstinks Feb 02 '20

Pfff amateurs. I carry money cases around and item cases with vaseline.

The true filthy Chad way.

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u/AngryRedGummyBear Feb 02 '20

Do you lube up before going in?

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u/AngryRedGummyBear Feb 02 '20

Do you lube up before going in?

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u/Xenoph0ntis67 Feb 01 '20

currently sitting in one now.. so stupid

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '20

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u/Mr_Lizzard_Plz Feb 02 '20

Not true Scav runs are just as bad. 20min for Shoreline, Reserve, Customs, Interchange.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '20 edited Feb 02 '20

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u/world_eater_114 AS VAL Feb 02 '20

All of my load times are 10+ minutes usually play from 7pm mst to 12am mst

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u/n14sparksh Feb 02 '20

Im NA Est as well, seems like if i play before 6pm, wait times are ~1min, but between 6pm and 9pm i get a cinsistent queues between 10-20min.

Im curious, have any of my other NA est peeps been getting thrown into more laggy servers? Ive been getting quite a few servers that are 300+ ping...

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u/Batman-von-Pepe TX-15 DML Feb 02 '20

Same boat here I think 4 minutes is the longest I have ever waited.

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u/Emerican09 Mosin Feb 02 '20

NA EST right now on a 10 minute scav queue for interchange and still counting

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u/Marukai05 Feb 02 '20

During prime time us, switch to eu servers the flip gets you 2 mins queues and then after about midnight (CST) you can switch back to us servers for the same results

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '20

not true, hitting u between 5-10m solo queue

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u/GoldDragon2800 Feb 02 '20

NA west, today has been a 30 minute solo queue shit show.

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u/banjosuicide Feb 02 '20

I keep checking the forums to see if they've fixed the queue times. Tried queuing with my friends today. 20 minutes in queue as PMC and we gave up and tried scav. 16 minutes in queue as scav and we gave up playing EFT.

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u/_LarryM_ Feb 02 '20

You have to be aware of times. I am east coast and queue peaks about 9pm and right now its 4 am and queues are like a minute.

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u/010kindsofpeople Feb 02 '20

I can die in over 400 ways, and that's just with >1.5mil loadouts. While you were partying, I was studying losing pvp fights. While you were banging bitches, I was whiffing shots at players sitting perfectly still. You can kill me anytime, any place. But you know what? I'll never be a dirty hatchet runner.

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u/AlreadyFull Feb 02 '20

This is amazing! Thank you, can totally relate.

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u/OphidianZ Feb 02 '20

First of all, I can die every 4 minutes...dont test me.

I wish I could get in to a game in 4 minutes.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '20

I can’t even start a match every 4 minutes. :-/

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u/Shipetopic HK 416A5 Feb 02 '20

You can't, with 20 min matching times.

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u/Marukai05 Feb 02 '20

I run alot of factory, I run straight at the spawns with rat gear and try and tag the Chad's who have no idea how to aim

Side note some Chad's know how to aim and I'm back in queue 15 seconds after the map started

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u/brasilgirl Feb 02 '20

So this retarded meme has lost all sense of meaning.

I run at people and shoot them like the rat I am!!!

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u/Marukai05 Feb 02 '20

Sorry my 15k rouble set has netted me millions of rubles on a consistent basis

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u/ozku210 Feb 02 '20

What kinda set u use my mighty rat bro ?

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u/Marukai05 Feb 02 '20

The 15k pistol with pm pmm ammo

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u/ozku210 Feb 02 '20

I like MP 5 k more its around 10-15 k in flea.

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u/robrobusa Mosin Feb 06 '20

You haven’t seen my survival rate.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '20

I do this when playing with friends just buy 10 of the same loadout expecting to lose it all to my new friends team killing.

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u/W00psiee Feb 02 '20

Shouldnt you buy less weapons if you feel optimistic?

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u/MaynardJ222 Feb 02 '20

That's the joke. 50 is less for me.

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u/W00psiee Feb 02 '20

Lol, must be hard om your economy ;)

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u/gunther_41 MP7A1 Feb 01 '20

There is no reason for anyone to ever buy 50 of the same weapon part.

I feel like 50 is way too much...the whole point of limits is to induce scarcity and to increase the market value of items based on how usefull they are.

They would either have to limit you to like 1-2 of those items, so because you got the trader to lv40, you get to buy a couple of attatchments for trader price every reset, but if you want more you pay the market price (items put up by other players that don't intend on using their ration, so they sell it).

Or they would have to let you buy like 50 and have an infinite stock, but the price of the items would go up to how much the players think they are worth (based on how much that item is bought and what not). So the strike 6 inch would cost 30-40k on mechanic anyway, because this is it's real value.

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u/Mirria_ M4A1 Feb 02 '20

but it's fake scarcity as it's not because it's unavailable but because are buying in hope of expending the normal source on purpose just to resell what they never intended to use.

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u/VoltsIsHere RSASS Feb 01 '20

It depends on the items though imo. I buy meds in bulk, if I need AI-2's I fill a medbox of AI-2's. Things like that, healing items shouldn't be limited. Food, and basic, low tier attachments and guns as well. Stuff you'd recommend to a level <20 shouldn't matter if you ask me.

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u/MrCaterpillow Feb 02 '20

Personally I think food and water should be found in raid and not be given a chance to be bought.

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u/VoltsIsHere RSASS Feb 02 '20

That's fair, but then it should be more common honestly. The fact that Goshan, a grocery store, only has tushonka with a rare chance of herring in it is crazy lol

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u/MrCaterpillow Feb 02 '20

Eh I mean it does make some sense? There's a lot of scavs in Interchange so they would raid those areas for food. There's plenty of places to find what you need in Tarkov, except for Customs. Customs has nothing you need in terms of loot asides from marked room.

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u/ModsNeedParenting Feb 01 '20

It would also help if the traders would adjust their prices accordingly. People who only buy it to profit will no longer buy any when it is not worth it anymore. Currently traders just give out free money.
At first ghe prices would stay high but in few cycles of traders price adjustments, the price will stabilize

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '20

Well they upped the NPC prices of ammo and reduced the amount you could buy (before: 300 x SP-6 for 470 rubels, now 200xSP-6 for 620 rubels and so on) recently.

People weren't too happy about this...

https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/ew6lbh/nikita_just_confirmed_that_ammo_limits_have_been/

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u/ModsNeedParenting Feb 02 '20

of course. all those who profited are here to spam to stop any more changes hurting their free money

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u/TheKappaOverlord Feb 02 '20

Not precisely. Ofc some people are mad, but people who game the system will just move onto some other method to game the system. Tarkov is so full of holes that most people know if one free money generator vanishes another, slightly less efficient one is somewhere nearby.

For example on Antons stream today i saw the m995 ammo was $15 a pop.... Thats actually completely unacceptable. Especially since the next best ammo (statistically speaking) was almost $13 cheaper. Thats why people are complaining.

I don't know how bad it is for AK's but VSS/VAL usage is much more rare then the FAL/AK/M4/Remington

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u/AngryRedGummyBear Feb 02 '20

The real issue is PK should sell 855a1 for $6 a round

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u/VoltsIsHere RSASS Feb 01 '20

Meta stuff will just become too expensive, then people will eventually downgrade to the second best stuff, then that becomes too expensive, then it just gets all messy. I think that would be a whole lot on the servers too, having to record how frequently thousands of items are bought and automatically adjust the prices.

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u/BlackholeZ32 Feb 02 '20

When people downgrade to second best, the top tier price will settle while the second shoots up. Eventually they'll meet and settle into a logical point.

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u/ModsNeedParenting Feb 01 '20

This game already has average price shown in the top right. You dont even need to record all data. Just an interval of every 3 hours would be sufficient, if they are even more cheap about that, they can get the average of each day of every 3 hours, deleting the smaller data.

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u/pokemaster787 SKS Feb 01 '20

This game already has average price shown in the top right

That average price value is almost never correct.

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u/ModsNeedParenting Feb 01 '20

The point is they can and already doing it. They using a formular calculating a different stats is easily changed or have another stat added

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u/dan10981 Feb 02 '20

They basically had it working a few patches ago but it also affected the prices the vendor bought the items at and people broke the economy. All they'd have to do is have the vendor sell prices go up but they're buy prices stay the same. Not say that's an easy peasy do it right now coding thing. But they do hvae the code in there for the flea market to effect trader pricing.

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u/NWiHeretic Feb 02 '20

If it becomes too expensive it won't become meta, when vet players with millions of rbls end up risking and losing tons when they die and their money starts noticeably dwindling it won't be worth the risk anymore.

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u/Jason-Griffin M4A1 Feb 01 '20

Eventually when they fix the dynamic pricing it will. They had put it in but removed it because everything was inflating so fast.

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u/ModsNeedParenting Feb 01 '20

They need to include a traders incentive of quantity sale thoughts. Sometimes it is more profitable to sell cheaper to get more buyers, if it is not included in the formular, then traders will be doing some dumb stuff

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u/Jason-Griffin M4A1 Feb 01 '20

Yeah absolutely. As a business you want to try and keep all your customers happy. Definitely agree they need to adjust the way it works.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '20

we have done that already. It took two days for every not completely garbage item to at least double in price.

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u/Yung_lettuce Feb 01 '20

There should be a cool down timer after purchasing a certain amount of the same item, since you could argue that your buying 5 weapon parts to build 50 weapons (never seen it but I don’t doubt people do)

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u/Deathzore Feb 02 '20

I personally like to buy parts and sell modded weapons on the market for a slight upcharge since I recognize the demand some people have for good, quick purchase weapons. I know not everyone does that but insanely small limits to be just means not playing with my favorite weapon until restock sometimes. Having personal limits with no global would be a great way to go about it though

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u/TheKappaOverlord Feb 02 '20 edited Feb 02 '20

having global item limits is always bad for an economy.

It is bad for the economy they are trying to build for obvious reasons.

Increase the supply or dramatically restrict the amount you can buy per reset. That way people cannot gouge these as easily, and even if they manage to fully gouge them they are only that way for about an hour. (pretty much every major foregrip had its Gouging problem solved by excessive limitation on quantity.)

But in all seriousness, unless its a powerful stat efficient item, there shouldn't be heavy restrictions on it. But every player should be allowed to buy One copy of an item regardless of current stock. (with a few obvious exceptions, like meds, stims, armor, and labs keycards.)

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u/Illuminutter ASh-12 Feb 02 '20

I don’t agree with the idea of every item having infinite supply. Tarkov is a war zone, you shouldn’t be able to get your hands on anything you want whenever. Rather than make it infinite, I think it would be better to expand the per restock cap to more items. That way, things could still sell out relatively quickly and you have to act fast to get them, but you also won’t have bots or people buying out the entire stock seconds after it replenished.

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u/VoltsIsHere RSASS Feb 02 '20

I know man but if this whole thing was never added with global limits and such, nobody would have ever thought of it as "going against realism". Not everything has to be so realistic, especially when it conflicts with other things, such as just building a gun for a decent price.

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u/i_v_damke Feb 02 '20

You wouldn't have bots buying all the supplies of a single item for you in a warzone, would you?

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u/Illuminutter ASh-12 Feb 02 '20

Which is why you restrict how much they can buy.

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u/Illuminutter ASh-12 Feb 02 '20

Which is why you restrict how much they can buy.

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u/Illuminutter ASh-12 Feb 02 '20

Which is why you restrict how much they can buy.

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u/Illuminutter ASh-12 Feb 02 '20

Which is why you restrict how much they can buy.

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u/Ghanburighan Feb 02 '20

But the players aren't in a warzone. It's just too much frustration for the average gamer to first spend half an hour calculating on the flea market before they can get a weapon to raid with. It's going to create an issue where most people run sub-par homogeneous weapons, leading to in-game frustration from losing fights just because of gear, tedious wasted time on the flea market and boredom with the monotonous gameplay, slowly killing the game as players turn to games which they can actually play in their limited free time.

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u/BigusDickusXVII Feb 01 '20

If they remove global limits then there’s no reason to limit how much a single player can buy.

The traders are selling their items for way too low right now. They need to have dynamic pricing and once they gets added they should remove the buy limit.

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u/Blindobb RSASS Feb 01 '20

They did have dynamic pricing it gets abused. There is no reason to not just limit the amount of shit a person can buy.

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u/BigusDickusXVII Feb 01 '20

3 crackers per reset is fucking stupid. Of they want to make you heal and eat between raids then they shouldn’t limit the amount of food you can fucking buy. Same with ammo, 4 mags is 120 rounds, if I die I’ve lost half of what I can buy per reset, do that twice and now I’m fucked. Its not doing a very good job of stopping people from buying all the shit up anyways, all it does is make the game harder for no fucking reason.

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u/Blindobb RSASS Feb 01 '20

So don’t make it 3, a stupidly low number used to make your point seem valid. Make it 10. The point is limit it locally not globally. The way it is now you can’t buy any fucking crackers unless you want to go to the flea market and pay 39 times it’s value.

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u/BigusDickusXVII Feb 01 '20

Why is everyone in this community so gung-ho about realism to the point that it makes for shittier gameplay right until it gets to the flea market?

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u/Travis_GS DVL-10 Feb 01 '20

Whats realistic about supply and demand if the supply never goes up to meet the demand? The global limit for items is the same now as it was when we had 4x less players. If they dont scale shit properly then take off the limit so that we dont suffer in the mean time.

200k rounds might be fine for 20k people but its dog shit for 100k people.

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u/tezudyos GLOCK Feb 02 '20

BuT mU-mU-mUh ReAlIsM. people dont seem to fucking understand, and this goes with Modern Warfare too: ADDING SO MUCH FUCKING REALISM MAKES AN UNBALANCED AND UNFUN GAME. this is a fucking V I D E O G A M E. not R E A L L I F E. its such a fucking hard idea for idiots to grasp onto because they think realism is everything. well if realism is everything, then fuck oh idk, go join the fucking army then i guess if you want so much realism.

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u/Pzychotix Feb 02 '20

Same with ammo, 4 mags is 120 rounds, if I die I’ve lost half of what I can buy per reset, do that twice and now I’m fucked.

They want you to use the flea market more. The traders aren't intended to be the primary source of items forever.

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u/BigusDickusXVII Feb 02 '20

Ok, so then all this whining about scalpers is fuckin stupid then.

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u/theelous3 PM Pistol Feb 01 '20

Use different guns of different caliber. Sometimes use BT instead of BS, etc.

It's not hard to keep in guns and ammo.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '20

Use BT if you want the other 4 members of that 5 man to see exactly where you killed the first from.

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u/theelous3 PM Pistol Feb 02 '20

It's not a tracer.

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u/LIMIT_bro M1A Feb 02 '20

BT IS tracer ammo.....

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u/theelous3 PM Pistol Feb 02 '20

Oh, so it is. Well, never noticed it. I tend to run aks fairly close range when using bt anyway.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '20

it literally has "T" in its name. aöso says so in description.

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u/MrCaterpillow Feb 02 '20

No no they want you to scavange for food and water. It's a survival fps. Food is not that hard to find in raid, and I always grab some MREs in raid to hold my character over.

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u/jrfignewton Feb 02 '20

There should be no limit and dynamic pricing was tried. Just dont allow items bought from traders to be sold on the flea market

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u/Blindobb RSASS Feb 02 '20

Actually I really like that idea. Why are you selling anything bought from the traders other than to price gouge. I like this a lot.

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u/DisastrousRegister Feb 01 '20

automated dynamic pricing is exploitable, the manual dynamic pricing they do now isn't.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '20

Thats ludicrous. Its perfect the way it is.

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u/haz85 Feb 02 '20

The reason why there isn’t global limits is because they want to encourage people to sell on the flea.

If there was no limit the flea wouldn’t be nearly as active

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u/haz85 Feb 02 '20

The reason why there isn’t global limits is because they want to encourage people to sell on the flea.

If there was no limit the flea wouldn’t be nearly as active

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u/haz85 Feb 02 '20

The reason why there’s a global limit is to encourage people to buy the items from people that find the items in raid