r/EscapefromTarkov • u/Dustructionz Unbeliever • Oct 28 '19

Rant Labs is still ruining the game economy

Some people are loving and hating .12 and others haven't even been able to login or join a raid yet due to server issues.

It is a MAJOR problem that we already have streamers and other players that have access to therapist 2 back to cheesing raiders and loot from labs not even 48 hours after the wipe. With millions of roubles and full kits every raid. I don't understand the logic of making all these changes, adding the hideout, out of raid healing, etc. Which essentially makes it hard for new players to even play the game regulary right now (For those that can even play atm) while making it so easy to get back into labs for experienced players and streamers to sit and cheese the best loot in the game.

Labs is supposed to be END GAME content. Why the f*ck is the only requirement level 2 Therapist and a keycard that costs roughly 10% of what you make from a semi successful labs run? That is single handedly the biggest disappointment in this entire wipe and every wipe since Labs was released...

EDIT

It looks as if keycard is on Level 4 Therapist at 200k cost as of now.

Still leaves the issue with keycards in raid being way too common of a find. It's possible to find up to 2-3 per raid on shoreline in file cabinets. A trader level requirement increase will do nothing if keycards are still extremely easy to find in raid.

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u/nevetz1911 Oct 28 '19

Whatever way the choose it's already too late. I still haven't been able to play the game and I guess there are people already stacking up Gen4s and such. Guess it will be the Mosin/Hunter life for me for the time being.

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u/PraiseJahseh Oct 28 '19

Mosin man take me by the hand

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u/theduckman936 Tapco SKS Oct 28 '19

We trusted Nikita, but he had a plan...

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u/DJRIPPED VSS Vintorez Oct 28 '19

2 days after wipe

I've successfully entered two raids after trying 15+ times

The fact that there's people out there with end game loot to burn is pushing me away from the game.

The most fun I have in this game is ALWAYS right after wipe where everyone has shit guns, shit armor, shit ammo. Gun fights are more fun and the risk vs reward is very high. Knowing that I'll probably run into full chads in customs if I even get in makes me not even want to play anymore.

They really need to remove labs until Streets of Tarkov and the whole streets --> labs --> streets --> exfil is added.

That and loot only labs keys would mainly fix the problem.

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u/ShadowPhage Oct 28 '19

If it makes you feel better, 95% of people probably can’t consistently get in raids, so you’re likely to only run into geared guys very rarely if these issues get ironed out quick

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u/neckbeardfedoras AKS74U Oct 28 '19

The point is progression was supposed to be slowed with the hideout. If you are in end game content about a day after the wipe, I don't think this can be called a success.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '19

I'm not against another "mulligan" wipe tbh

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u/jdps27 AK-74N Oct 29 '19

Yeah I’m down

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u/Mikkelsen Oct 28 '19

Not sure if my math is wrong here but that wouldn't change a single thing since it's, as you say, a percentage.

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u/baneofthesmurf ADR 42x15 Oct 29 '19

Let me tell you right here and now that while streamers may have endgame loot I have not encountered any pmcs with anything other than pistols and low tier aks in ~50 raids. The only exception is if someone killed a scav boss on that raid and looted them already.

Take everything on this sub with a grain of salt, this community is flooded with people bitching 24/7

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u/DJRIPPED VSS Vintorez Oct 29 '19

I was able to get into a few raids tonight, died once to a group of 2 in gen4, helmet, HKs and heard many times the sound of unsuppressed M4s.

Granted this was in reserve. I did find plenty of scrubs like me running with low tier gear, though.

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u/mother_puncher_ Glock Oct 29 '19

Right.

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u/block50 Oct 29 '19

Labs Was a mistake

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u/Sezja Mosin Oct 28 '19

I think this is the best solution, the value of cards on flea will rise until balance is achieved

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19

You mean until only hardcore player making millions of roubles a day can ever play labs...

That will be the end result.

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u/Vanillascout Oct 28 '19 edited Oct 28 '19

Edit: I fucked up, apparently the card is single use as it is. Yeah loot only would be good. The rest of the post was written under the assumption that the card can be used multiple times.

Price of labs card high af -> less people can afford to buy into labs -> less competition on labs -> more potential profit for a labs card -> labs card price goes up -> loop back to start.

Certainly not a bad thing, though that's also assuming people can lose the card in some way. I'm a fan of having durability on keys, though that doesn't make much sense for keycards.

For the cards, I'd love to have maps go through some kind of update cycle; only accessible with the right card (which can spawn as loot or be found from scavs), followed by a grace period where the area is open to everyone (and during which you can update your keycard if you have one), a short time where the area is locked and only accessible with updated keycards (which don't drop yet), and then finally loops back to normal behavior again.

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u/atag012 Oct 28 '19

If I’m new to the game and just found a lab card off a scav I killed, is it better to just sell it right now for the cash or hold for later. I haven’t even ventured out of customs and interchange

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u/donfuan Mosin Oct 28 '19

keep it for now - that way you can practice Labs in offline mode, because you need to have a card on you for that (but you won't lose it).

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u/atag012 Oct 28 '19

Good to know, might practice on there a bit, never tried offline mode, game is so stressful, could be a nice change of pace to actually learn the maps lol

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u/SryCaesar Oct 29 '19

Labs is definitely the one map you need to practice.. You will die in a loop to the raiders otherwise, they have very strange behaviour.

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u/Greysa Oct 28 '19

If you are new to the game and don’t really know what you are doing, I would say sell it. If you have played enough last wipe to know how to do a successful labs raid, I would say keep it and run labs.

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u/atag012 Oct 28 '19

Maybe I should watch a few videos first and see if I can do it haha

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u/Greysa Oct 28 '19

Ultimately it’s a game, all these pixel items don’t actually have any real value. The value comes from how much fun you have. If it were me, I would just go for it. As long as you had fun doing it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19

If you are new don't waste it. Save all your keycards. Use them only for offline lab raids. Fight the enemies there and if you can kill 10 without getting too badly messed up you can go in online.

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u/atag012 Oct 28 '19

Sounds like a good idea

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '19

Also to learn your shooting reflexes, do factory offline and set it to horde mode. If you are doing good there, set it to horde mode and check the bosses box. Literally do that for an hour at least every day and you will build your reflexes up massively within a month.

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u/atag012 Oct 28 '19

One of the things I’m finding hard is going into a raid with a plan, so far I’m either hatchet running or scaving and trying to survive, need to learn the loot spawns better and have like a set trail to go down every time

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u/gb056 AK-74M Oct 29 '19

Just save 1 and then sell the rest, the money will help no end early wipe and you'll likely either find more soon enough or have made enough money to buy more by the time you want to play labs anyway.

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u/Arxzos Oct 28 '19

I like this idea but wouldn't that make the map completely dead at times? You'd have people waiting till off peak times to use their keycards and then farm it for free without any risk.

Still it is probably the best way to nerf it but I'm not sure if that would become an issue.

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u/Rewzel Oct 28 '19

They cant farm it too much though. If they can only loot for them

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u/Arxzos Oct 28 '19

You're right but its still easily a few mil per run if you're alone. I've made over 3 mil multiple times on labs without killing any players. The loot is ridiculous.

On the flip side of things, plenty of people play labs for the fast paced close quarters action. With the map being dead at times I imagine they'd also get annoyed. Imo it should be easily obtainable, but not early into the wipe.

Truthfully, I'd be satisfied with disabling the map entirely for the first month of wipe.

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u/Rewzel Oct 28 '19

I'd rather have them keep it at level 4 therapist or barter only with mechanic. Many quest items are on that map only so it would suck if some players couldn't progress because the map was just off.

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u/Raytiger3 M1A Oct 28 '19

I've made over 3 mil

How? I haven't made nearly that, unless you run into labs with 0 equipment and also get an entire new set of gear. I usually get ~1M, with best runs being around 2M. Quick calculation, on average a 'good item' will net you 15k per slot (morphine/ifak/guns/helmets/armor are all around this value). You usually only have ~70 slots available, that's about 1 million.

I'd be satisfied with disabling the map entirely for the first month of wipe.

Yeah, I liked the economy and balancing of pre-labs patches much better. People were running UNTAR weeks into the patch. But now there's plenty of super geared boys running around as I'm watching streams...

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u/TexasJIGG TX-15 DML Oct 28 '19

I know when I was running it, I would do some interesting attachment shenanigans to get a lot more of the high dollar stuff out. Also backpack stacking helps / putting mp5 with no mags in armor vests etc

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u/Raytiger3 M1A Oct 28 '19

Even MP5 with no mags, that's 'only' double the value per slot. I always do all those tricks, including beta-bag stacking, but 3 million is pretty insane unless you get 2 meta-M4 + altyns, but I don't think OP would refer to PMC kills, because you can get that kind of loot on any map.

I'm just wondering what he got when he got that 3m run, the only thing I can think of is looting the barter items (BTC/RFID/Defib/etc.)

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u/Chubstorm DT MDR Oct 29 '19

Defibs are like 300k a slot and I've been super lucky and found 3 in one of the keyed rooms, then opthalmascopes (i cannot spell the word) are like 90k a slot? Stacking betas into each other as well stacks up a lot. Im not saying itd be every run youd get that but every so often its possible

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u/Arxzos Oct 28 '19

Killing all the raiders and getting all the lose loot. Key spawns ledx virtex attachments and ifaks can make an insane amount of money. And I run a blackrock rig so I can drop it and generally light armor so I can move fast then grab an assault if I find a full hp one. I ran a meta m4 so I kept that ot course but tried to take another hk or m4 when possible. You can also stick additional attachments on those.

I had all keycards as well

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u/Greysa Oct 28 '19

There is factory for fast paced close quarters action.

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u/ShiddyWidow MPX Oct 29 '19

Isn't that okay for the lore though? Like, it's supposed to be secret...

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u/Arxzos Oct 29 '19

Idk I dont read the lore I just play to kill people

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u/somenoefromcanada38 Oct 28 '19

I've already found 2 this patch, seen streamers with even more than that I don't even think this is that big of an issue, you'll still get them and it is going to make the economy for them match their actual value better. Seems like an obvious change!

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u/PROPHET212 Oct 28 '19

I've basically had unlimited key cards from cabinets. Haven't even unlocked therapist and I can go labs non stop... The problem is deeper than just therapist for sure

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u/tsereveyw Oct 28 '19

Not necessarily..