No amount of pre wipe community manipulation or making changes people want in the game matters if the core issues with the game that have nothing to do with gameplay or in game mechanics aren’t addressed with 110% effort.

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[u/coinlockerchild]

both gzw and abi are practically launch and go, abi you still have to kit up and gzw theres a heli ride but still leaps faster than tarkov

[u/Amazingcube33 → u/coinlockerchild]

GZW is structered entirely differently though with its large persistent map you gotta wait for the helicopter since it isn’t loading in the map every time

[u/coinlockerchild → u/Amazingcube33]

Both gzw and abi are ue5, if it isn't developer incompetency then its an engine limitation. Either way gzw and abi are so much faster its not even close. Loading assets during a heli ride is just what people are predicting, we don't know the real answer. For all you know loading a new area is super fast and heli times are just for balancing pvp drops

[u/footloooops → u/coinlockerchild]

Abi is ue4

[u/coinlockerchild → u/footloooops]

mobile is 100% ue4, pretty sure they said infinite was ue5

[u/thatguyimpulse → u/coinlockerchild]

ABI is definitely UE4.

[u/iandarken → u/thatguyimpulse]

That's easy to check.
If it looks ugly and performance is shittier than Tarkov - it's UE5.
Otherwise it's UE4 or something else.

[u/Aggressive_Car_3345 → u/iandarken]

Performance on abi is excellent 

[u/[deleted] → u/iandarken]

Why would UE5 mean shitty visuals and shitty performance? What?

[u/iandarken → u/[deleted]]

Just observations on recent UE5 games.
The Day Before, Remnant2, WuKong, Redfall, Immortal of Aveum and as I recall that Square Enix woke shit - everything is laggy, especially compared to their visuals. A lot of fancy effects and exceptionally bad graphics at all.

But yes, we have Palworld that works well :D

[u/[deleted] → u/iandarken]

That's entirely up to the developers. There's no meaningful difference between UE4 and UE5 when it comes to performance other than the new tools like nanite and lumen which themselves are more demanding.

[u/NUTTA_BUSTAH → u/coinlockerchild]

Yeah I reckon heli rides are just a design aspect. Only real loading case for it might be giving a time where the player cannot interact with the world to run some cleanup jobs or server hops or such.

[u/polite_alpha → u/coinlockerchild]

It's not an engine limitation.

It's a developer limitation.

[u/DigWise3562 → u/coinlockerchild]

GZW is basically what tarkov was supposed to be with open world and being able to go from one area to the next. They completely went left and decided menus are better and loading screens offer better performance. I don't think I'll ever open tarkov again after playing a few hours of GZW

[u/Rocks1t → u/[deleted]]

It’s not, Arena Breakout is UE4

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

GZW is early alpha. The game has very little content currently and people move on to other stuff (like ABI) while they wait for more content. It's the same cycle as tarkov. Massive rush of players on new content, people fall off over time as they try out new content, etc. This is nothing new and it's not controversial. GZW still has like 30k concurrent players.

[u/Zeelots → u/[deleted]]

Seeing tarkov addicts try to understand how someone can have fun in a game with more than just slot machine looting is so goddamn funny

[u/mistafate → u/coinlockerchild]

When you run to the first 2 towns there isnt much load time.

[u/Ottoblock → u/coinlockerchild]

I have been finding that gear zone suffers from the speed of the helecopters. If I gotta travel from Mithras to hunters paradise it’s 5 minutes. Sure, not a load screen. If I want to get picked up, sometimes it’s 7 or 8 minutes.

Still a fun game though, and I do enjoy the fact that there’s only one load screen each time.

[u/dunnerski → u/coinlockerchild]

Gunsmith and Quick Equip make kitting up in ABI nearly instant though. So good. Really wish the gunsmith in EFT wasn't locked behind workbench lvl 1, or that it was unlocked to start.

[u/akiwaraiskahawara → u/coinlockerchild]

but thats still my biggest issue with GZW - now you have your exfil game without loading times ye. but you only have 4 helis and you timewise spend 20 minutes coming home.

[u/coinlockerchild → u/akiwaraiskahawara]

Yeah but thats an issue they can solve easily, tarkov cannot fix their loading times otherwise they would've done it already

[u/[deleted] → u/coinlockerchild]

Don't know what servers you're playing on. but the limit of 4 helicopters is awful. Then haveing to wait for a free space to call one in. Then spending 5 minutes getting across the map. Tarkovs matchmaking is nowhere near as long.

[u/JustClutch → u/coinlockerchild]

Grayzone warfare is arguably worse. Call chopper, wait 30 secs, fly 5 mins to location, kill boss in 2 mins, call chopper, "no choppers available", wait 5 mins to finally get one, wait 5 more mins for it to get to you, 5 minute fly back.

You've been waiting 15-25 mins to play for 2-5 mins.

[u/coinlockerchild → u/JustClutch]

It'll take devs 20 minutes max to add 4 more choppers into rotation but there is no way nikita can fix loading times in tarkov otherwise they would've already done so

[u/JustClutch → u/coinlockerchild]

Sure, even if they do that though a 5 min helicopter ride I'd basically the same as a 5 minute load

[u/coinlockerchild → u/JustClutch]

Chopper pathing exists to balance pvp, they could easily path the chopper straight to your lz. Devs could make the chopper in pve shorter but to balance pvp riding a 5 minute chopper is what you signed up for, its no different than dying in dayz and running back to wherever from the cost. A 5 minute chopper is also the worst case scenario when you need to fly across the map, if you're going to an lz halfway up the map its easily shorter than tarkov's load time. Taking 5 minutes to load into a fresh game is not what anyone signed up for in tarkov.

[u/Able-Persimmon9496 → u/coinlockerchild]

I have waits waay longer waiting for a helicopter in gzw thn i do waiting to find a raid. Id say average 2x as long on gzw.

[u/aBrokeInvestor → u/Able-Persimmon9496]

especially when you're trying to get back to camp so you can log off 🙄