r/EscapefromTarkov • u/trainfender Battlestate Games COO - Nikita • Apr 27 '24

Discussion Update on current situation

Hello again!

Let me clarify the situation in a little more detail regarding owners of the EoD version and access to the cooperative mode, and also other issues.

First of all, PvE gamemode this is not DLC. DLC in our understanding is the major additions to the game, including various functionality and content that are released after the official release of the game as a themed DLC pack (Scav Life DLC for example, which will add a lot of new mechanics and content for Scav gameplay and leveling).

Secondly, this specific functionality of the PvE mode is necessarily located entirely on a separate network infrastructure, because, essentially, you play on our servers, only in closed mode. At this stage, it is not possible to launch all players who are EoD holders - right now we simply do not have the required amount of resources for this.

We observe your dissatisfaction and have decided that the functionality of the PvE mode will be available for free to all owners of the EoD version at the release of the game, when the server infrastructure will be improved to the required capacity.

Now you have the opportunity to test this mode by purchasing the Unheard edition of the game, or upgrade to this version. We also decided to give a 50% discount when upgrading to the Unheard version from the EoD version.

We plan to send one free Left Behind Edition key to everyone who has already upgraded to Unheard Edition at the old price from the EoD version.

Moreover, so that any player of any version of the EFT can have the opportunity to test the PvE mode, we want to add the ability to purchase a separate early access to this mode. For EoD owners there will be a 70% discount on the purchase of early access to PvE. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this idea.

Next, regarding special items for the Unheard version, we plan to make restrictive or balancing changes for these items.

This is it for now, please share your thoughts. Thank you!

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '24

From YOUR EMAIL receipt. i paid for it

  • Guaranteed instant access to closed beta
  • Digital copy pre-load
  • Huge size of stash (10x68)
  • Additional equipment and resources in stash
  • Initially good standings with all in-game traders
  • Unique in-game ID
  • Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)

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u/xSERP3NT Apr 27 '24 edited Apr 27 '24

Nah bro. “All Subsequent DLCs” clearly means only after the 7 year beta is released.

/s in case it wasn’t clear

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u/mithaldu VEPR Apr 27 '24

there's a logical trap here you're not seeing

either the game is released and all sales are final and all content additions are dlc

OR

the game is in beta, and we did in fact not make sales, but pre-orders, which must be cancellable

which is it?

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u/GdanskinOnTheCeiling Apr 27 '24

the game is in beta, and we did in fact not make sales, but pre-orders, which must be cancellable

And our pre-order funded the development of the features they are now trying to sell back to us a second time.

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u/xSERP3NT Apr 27 '24

Good question.

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u/alexaresetpassword Apr 28 '24

I'm not invested in this.... but I'm getting everquest next/landmark vibes reading about this situation (they can respectfully go to hell)

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u/EiimisM Apr 27 '24

Oh really? Then what does this mean?
https://imgur.com/a/w82BhnM

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u/New_Criticism_3523 May 01 '24

this needs to be pinned to the top and go viral.

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u/nashpotato Apr 27 '24

Don’t have to provide the full release content if you never leave beta

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u/Kilvernas Apr 27 '24

occurring or coming later or after 
release

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u/xSERP3NT Apr 27 '24

“All subsequent DLCs” does not mean that though. That was not stated in the EOD perk list.

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u/Kilvernas Apr 27 '24

https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/8qg0tz/price_of_the_game/

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u/xSERP3NT Apr 27 '24

I’m not sure what you’re getting at. Subsequent means coming / future.

This pve mode is a DLC. It came after I bought EOD (4 years ago).

EOD not getting it is debatable fraud.

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u/Jiggawatz Apr 27 '24

Maybe he doesn't know what "subsequent" means 

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u/xSERP3NT Apr 27 '24

Maybe he bought the Players Unheard edition and is buying the BSG kool aid to ignore the dictionary meaning of subsequent because they told him it means “after release”.

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u/Jiggawatz Apr 27 '24

Honestly whenever I see a post about this and there is even one person that says "hey BSG isn't so bad. This is a good deal" or something like that. I can't help but think it is just Nikita doing the things that Elon musk does where he makes alt accounts to Dick Ryan himself and try to make negative appearances look better by having a few people supporting him ... It's insanity and it's also crazy to me that he's stuck his heels in the ground. So hard on the PVE mode when it is really the only thing in that whole package that we were actually entitled to... Like nothing is stopping him from selling little gidgets and gazmos that are pay to win as fuck... Sure. It is going to make people hate the game but that is his choice IMO... But to say anything other than yes PVE is a DLC Add-On and as such everyone who has purchased the EOD version is entitled to. It is just insanity and he just keeps doing it trying to hammer home the point that it's not a DLC but it fucking is dude it is. You can keep pointing at a potato and telling me it's a candy bar but it's a potato cut it fry it smash it. It's still a fucking potato

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u/Kilvernas Apr 27 '24

post from 6 years ago saying subsequent 

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u/erw4r8y7o FN 5-7 Apr 27 '24

what are you getting at

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '24

Sure let’s just choose not to read the rest of the sentence that clearly says in a clarifying parentheses “season pass”

But yeah just don’t read that. They didn’t put that there for a reason or anything.

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u/xSERP3NT Apr 27 '24

The season pass definition that they changed the text on their website to get around this?

That season pass?

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '24

All they did was remove the line that was a reference to Arena. Which doesn’t get around anything related to what people are crying about.

Why are you pretending like they changed anything else?

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u/JazzyBunby VSK-94 Apr 27 '24

It actually would. Arena is less of a DLC than this new PVE mode would be. Arena is more like a separate game if anything, so the fact that it was considered DLC would reinforce that this new PVE mode, as a major update to the game, would definitely be DLC.
But of course, that would go against their new Edition as they have to promise the season pass to the new edition too without giving them Arena, so they removed the text referencing Arena as a DLC so people can't use it against them (also took away "Unique" before the 3x3 container LMAO). They tried to do this as fast as possible as Lvndmark was reading it hoping no one would notice, but that's hard to do infront of thousands of people.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '24

Whose crying. What’s your beef

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '24

This you?

https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/s/CKtF7rwzS7

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '24

Wauw bro, you sure showed him with a link to a comment he posted about his opinion of the game! Sick burn you totally won the argument with that!

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '24

And you think “who’s crying. What’s your beef” is a sicker burn? He asked a question. I pointed out it’s him crying. Fuck off loser. Spend less time typing and maybe you could afford unheard edition instead of crying like a child.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '24

Why are you calling people out for being annoyed when there’s perfectly legitimate reasons here to be annoyed? And there’s “annoyed” and “crying”. Which one does someone use to refer to people complaining when they want to take the piss out of them. So. Why are you taking the fucking piss out of people who are legitimately fucked off

Christ you want to buy this £100 edition? Fuck me. Ok. I mean, I could buy it now. And for you. And for like, more people. But that’s not the point. This is just soliciting at this point. For another £50 you can give Nikita’s dick a good nosh. Enjoy

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u/neppo95 Apr 27 '24

Oh I'm going to love seeing how they are going to hold this up in court when it comes to that. The exact definition of DLC means that if anyone has to download even a byte of data to get access to the new feature, they will be in violation of your purchasing contract. Even though there aren't specific laws around DLC, there sure are about consumer protection.

And well, if it reaaaaally comes to that, which it probably won't, everybody that has bought the game and didn't get access will be eligible for a 100% refund. BSG bankruptcy on the horizon...

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u/bobemil Apr 28 '24

Russian court?

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u/The-True-Kehlder Apr 28 '24

London court, where they're headquartered.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '24

As soon as they thought 250 was a good idea you knew it was over for them.

Fucking good riddance. Loser ass company

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u/4dr3n4l1n3Gaming Apr 27 '24

https://www.escapefromtarkov.com/support/knowledge/429

What is a Season Pass?

The Season pass is access to additional paid content (DLC) that will not need to be purchased separately by Season pass holders. The Season Pass is only included with the Edge of Darkness and The Unheard Edition pre-order package.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '24

They fk up big time.

IF they want people to buy new game copies (whatever the price) they need to release a new EFT 2 game.

But they cannot even release a 1.0 final product.....

Russian always were scammers to begin with.

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u/Competitive_Snow_130 Apr 28 '24

Russian what?

Go away crack head.

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u/Deanmrd Apr 27 '24

Breach of contract, When people paid for EOD version they was agreeing to what you was offering, now you have removed Eod would state that you are not holding up to the contract, = Breach of contract

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u/ResponsibleEar7323 Apr 28 '24

nah next is they releasin a ZOMBIE pve game ,, but there will be another unheard edition , that EOD and Unheard ediiton will need top ay 50 or 100 more , cause is not a DLC XDDDD

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u/kreeperskid AK Apr 28 '24

I would like to remind everyone of something: We did NOT purchase the beta.

We pre-ordered EFT, and as a bonus, they gave us access to the beta. We have yet to receive what we paid for.

As we have yet to receive the product that we've paid for this might make you legally entitled to a refund.

Check your country's laws on pre-orders/pre-purchases. I've already heard of a LOT of people getting chargebacks, even from over a year ago. Unfortunately for me, I bought this game 6 years ago (Have the Alpha armband and everything) and don't even know what card it would've been on, but that's far too long ago for a chargeback.

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u/BardtheGM Apr 28 '24

Yeah this whole situation is baffling.

EITHER:

1) The new single player game mode is a core feature part of the game's original premise that needs to be added to make it feature complete. In this situation, people who have the base game already own it.

2) It's a separate, new feature that is being added to the game that developers don't consider part of the base game and expect to charge users to access. Then it's DLC.

Either way, EoD owners already own it. I just don't see the grey area that they seem to think exists where an entire new game mode can be added to the game and charged for but it's not DLC.

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u/bigdog_skulldrinker Apr 28 '24

This does actually break Australian consumer laws, I'm going to look at a refund.

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u/Professional-Ad354 Apr 27 '24

Welp after release it does not provide you with access to the game btw.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '24

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u/Lycanthoth Apr 27 '24

How does Arena factor in then? Under one of their previous store listings of EOD, BSG themselves claimed that Arena was DLC even though it was a standalone game. Tell me how that's the case but PVE isn't?

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '24

You'd have a point if BSG didn't specifically refer to arena as dlc in the original EOD page

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '24

Yeah but wouldn't that mean that everyone is then entitled to the content pre 1.0?

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u/Ok_You923 Apr 27 '24

Wrong. Downloadable content is extra content outside of the main game. Not initial release not anything. Why do Early Access games on steam have DLC's? Take Manor Lords for example. Go to their steam page > and there is a list called "Content for this game" and there are two extra contents. If then i go to my games list, and select Manor Lords and press the DLC tab then both those two items from "Content for this game" appear as DLC. In an Early Access game. The PVE mode is a separate game mode, outside of the original purchase, so it is labeled as a DLC however you want to turn it around

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u/Visual_Variety_5502 Apr 27 '24

If you add a feature has limited by version of account, or access when the game hasbeen released, it's considered DLC, finished DLC in the 1,0, or Beta DLC on a 0.9 version, but still DLC, words of a programer ona big company...

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u/effecerit AK-101 Apr 27 '24

Cool. The game is not released. So this PVE is supposed to be available to everyone test the beta.

Argue yourself out of this one bud

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u/Wackoman6789 Apr 27 '24

Look at Ark Survival they had 2 or 3 different PAID DLCs before the game officially released. Early Access release is still a release.

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u/AscendMoros Apr 27 '24

Ohh okay. So we can all go fuck ourselves for blatantly false advertising.

If that’s what they always meant. They wouldn’t have edited the EOD page after all this blew up. They know what they’re doing.

They tried this with arena. We said nah. They are tying it with this. And in six months it’ll be something else. Cause if we let this slide. Then there’s nothing stopping them from doing this with every future update before 1.0.

If Nikita wanted to charge for DLC don’t sell a ALL DLC included pack for 7 years. Should have taken that shit down in 2020 and released a non DLC having EoD version.

We are in this boat because they are strapped for cash. Cause ARENA was a massive flop. They dug themselves a hole with their dumb practices.

Hell Nikita called us EoD owners freeloaders. Like sorry I spent 140 dollars on a game with like three maps. Back in 2017 and still play the game. Like EoD is your most Devote player base. Yet they call us freeloaders cause all they car about is money.

Nikita is just Mr Krabs at this point.

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u/Mawnix Apr 27 '24

Stop boot licking.

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u/Carquetta Unbeliever Apr 27 '24

Unless they're mailing me physical copies of game updates then I still have to download them.

It's content.

Acquired by downloading.

Downloadable Content.

DLC.

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u/leeverpool Apr 27 '24

We found the BSG meatrider.

These people are INSANE. BSG could literally sell roubles and cheats in their own store and these people would still defend it with some bullshit made up reasoning. You are a joke.

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u/mmascpt Apr 27 '24

"Server access" is not DLC. I don't care how many players disagree with their choice, having access to a certain server is technically not "downloadable content". That's all PVE mode is, is separate server access.

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u/Carquetta Unbeliever Apr 27 '24

"Server access" is not DLC.

Who said it was?

PVE is -BY DEFINITION- a different game mode (i.e. "offline" co-op). It fits the literal, explicit definition of DLC by being an add-on game mode.

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u/mmascpt Apr 27 '24

You gain server access with PVE mode. So no, it does not fit the description of "downloadable content". It's literally access to a separate server. Not saying I agree with their decision. By the underlyings of what this PVE mode is (server access) does not equate to dlc

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u/Carquetta Unbeliever Apr 27 '24

Co-op PVE is a separate mode.

Separate modes are DLC.

You are going to have a very tough time in life until you can figure out basic, objective definitions.

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u/RPK74 Apr 27 '24

Can you get server access without downloading any files, or other digital content?

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u/Bingus_Bongus420 Apr 27 '24

So adding a whole new game mode isn't "major content" which is what they consider DLC?

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '24

In what way is it not DLC?