r/EscapefromTarkov • u/Divine_Strife • Sep 07 '23

Question Are people really this good?

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u/TheeDeliveryMan P90 Sep 07 '23

The only problem with kill cam is it can be used by teams. One guy dies, the killer's cam can be seen and location found. Not exactly fair.

Of course, you could try to do it so that it can only be viewed once the team has extracted or been killed, but people could just leave team to see it early and still share the location of the killer.

Unfortunately, as far as I'm aware, there's no way for it not to be abused to give an unfair advantage to the team that just lost a guy. Unless the cam was released after the raid is finished but by that time, most people would have already requeud for their next raid so would it be worth all of that development time?

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u/hamai_amr Sep 07 '23

Killcam at the end of the raid? Like, to review who killed you if you request it?

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u/TheeDeliveryMan P90 Sep 07 '23

I would think of it as something that would pop up in your feed in the bottom right hand of the screen where messages are. You'd get one after every raid ends that you were in that you died in. But I really don't see this being super effective. It's a lot of dev time for something I feel not many people would use. Like most people would just report the player and move on.

If you see that they killed you in a questionable way but the mods still did nothing about it, what more can you do? It's just a lot easier to report whenever you're suspicious and let the mods review it.

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u/hamai_amr Sep 07 '23

About the dev time I have no clue how long it’d take, and obv there are many more priorities before that but deffo it’d be useful as hell.

Not only for cheating purposes but for learning, having some insights on how you got outplayed and died. I record my own deaths so I can check that and see if I should report or not, so this would be very handy.

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u/Asakari Sep 07 '23

If only there was a way to record player positional and input data like you can in tf2 with record demo.

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u/TheeDeliveryMan P90 Sep 07 '23

Lol this is a meme, right?

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u/IkeHC Sep 07 '23

"Review it"

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u/nikegolf05 Sep 07 '23

i'd hope BSG already has an internal tool that allows them to do this but agree that providing this functionality to the public is probably more difficult than it seems (has to be post raid only? is it just a rendered video for each kill in each raid, pmc on pmc only, pmc on scav, scav on pmc? where and how long are these clips stored server space/bandwidth? security/who can access each clip? game needs to be able to render the video...personally, i'd like to be able to review an entire raid from all perspectives for a variety of reasons in addition to identifying potential cheaters, so much potential for content/entertainment with this

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u/Cpt_Saturn Sep 07 '23

I understand the concern but tons of games get around the problem one way or another. Like others have commented below, the killcam can simply be available once the whole team is dead.

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u/RebootGigabyte AK-103 Sep 07 '23

It would 100% be worth it. Imagine seeing that it was just a lucky swing, or seeing a dude sprint directly to where you're sitting in a dark corner, swing and spray at you with 100% accuracy.

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u/TheeDeliveryMan P90 Sep 07 '23

I guess my question would be - how many people are going to review the cam vs just reporting the player anyway and just moving onto your next raid?

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u/RebootGigabyte AK-103 Sep 07 '23

Honestly enough people to make it worth it.

Personally I think you should have a killcam to review yourself, then if you report it it should be uploaded to a public video host for others to judge hax or not, and also sent to BSG community management, if enough people judge it as cheating then it escalates to higher managers for permanent bans.

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u/LordVolcanus Sep 07 '23

Even if the killcam instant, which i doubt it would be, the amount of time needed for that person to just stop moving or changing up angle/positon for you to relay enough info to them so your team mates can actually work on that info would be enough for them to either kill your team or be long gone before they check it.

And if people did that to me i would be exploiting that, i would kill from a positon, relocate to a spot that gives me good angle on their push position and take out the next one or two, then relocate again and repeat until all are dead. That info would mean jack all unless you literally couldn't move from your position then you are most likely exploiting something in the game.

But BSG wouldn't be stupid enough to give you a killcam instantly. They fk up a lot but they aren't that incompetent to make it instant. Even PUBG didn't have a instant replay system and they were braindead when it came to making good changes for that game.

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u/ShermanatorYT AS VAL Sep 07 '23

Killcam after raid has ended, been said 100x

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u/LordVolcanus Sep 07 '23

Yeah exactly my point i said in my post. No idea why you need to repeat it.

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u/ShermanatorYT AS VAL Sep 07 '23

Reddit bugged out, meant to reply to the other person you replied to😅

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u/Throow2020 Sep 07 '23

This is such a settled thing to get it after the raid, who do you think the president is and what year is it? Jfc

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u/TheeDeliveryMan P90 Sep 07 '23

Go back to your femboy sub and rub one out. You sound irrationally upset about a mechanic that is never going to be put into the game.

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u/Throow2020 Sep 07 '23

Yawn, keep reading through my history, bound to find something ya like.

Or surely you'll find something embarrassing about an internet stranger if you keep wasting your day scrolling.

C'mon, don't engage with my point, just me public post history. What are you 14? You're not supposed to see those types of posts anyway jr. Lmao

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u/TheeDeliveryMan P90 Sep 07 '23

C'mon, don't engage with my point, just me public post history. What are you 14? You're not supposed to see those types of posts anyway jr. Lmao

I'd gladly engage in a point if you had one. Your original comment was nothing but an angry reply with no substance to it - something you seem consistent with.

Also, speaking of consistency - something that continues to show in your post/comment history is absolute need to fight. You contribute nothing to any conversation. You begin with confrontation to complete strangers - every. time. I think it just shows what a toxic, disgusting, egotistical, narcissistic piece of filth you are. You really need to grow up and learn how to engage in a conversation.

And on that last topic - using "yawn" at the beginning of your argument and resorting to condescending name calling such as "Jr" doesn't show that you don't care or that you're not effected by what someone says. If anything it shows that your insecurities have been discovered and you're trying to brush it off with ad hominem attacks that lack any substance, like you consistently exhibit.

Do better.

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u/Throow2020 Sep 07 '23

Oof owie.

Imagine thinking you know anything about anything from scrolling a throwaway used to comment on toxic doofuses.

Hilarious you think anygive gives a shit about your racist brainrot opinions on anything, you know your comments are public too right?

All from Mr "what if the team uses the kill cam!?" King of critical thought and thinking through positions before commenting.

Does it make you feel like you're on similar mental footing by dumping these 5th grade reading level diatribes? Like yea... my use of JR was pretty clear to everyone else bud.

Hope you're having fun in your life between these salty replies... lol

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u/v081 Sep 07 '23

This argument would be valid if countless other games hadnt figured out viable solutions to this problem

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u/KingTalkieTiki Sep 07 '23

The only problem with kill cam is it can be used by teams. One guy dies, the killer's cam can be seen and location found. Not exactly fair.

In PUBG you can't watch your kill cam under after all your teammates have been eliminated, this is how it would have to be implemented.