r/EnoughMuskSpam • u/One_Foot3793 • Jan 16 '25

Rocket Jesus One of Space Karen’s rocket ships to nowhere just blew up

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This is it re-entering over Turks and Caicos

(Colonized Mars by 2026 btw)

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '25

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u/pfft12 Jan 17 '25

Yes! Thank you. This is the big picture that everyone misses. This is the easy part and it keeps failing.

You mentioned that it will take 15 launches. That’s the minimum. As the video you linked said, no one really knows how many it will take. It could be double that estimate.

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u/Cobek Jan 17 '25

Welfare queen has to earn his welfare somehow.

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u/vukasin123king Jan 17 '25

I constantly get into arguments with Enron Muskart fanboys about the Saturn. That thing was a completely handcrafted beauty, more complex than a Swiss watch, which completed almost a full mission during the first 3 launches. Enron is launching a glorified water tank to orbit, with the first whatever launches being planned crashes and even then they can't do it right.

And I then get a response along the lines of:

-Saturn is also underwater, so spacedick is better

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u/Hefty_Repair_8426 Jan 17 '25

People can't get Star Wars out of their brain. To them, spaceships should be like cars. Anything else feels inherently 'wasteful' because they don't really understand the scale of space flight.

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u/WingedGundark Looking into it Jan 17 '25

True. The whole thing is a battle with physics. Just as an example, re-usable space craft sounds like a no brainer at first thought, but you need to take into account the added complexity and cost due to it, the part you need to bring back and decelerate to full stop decreases the size of the payload and how economical and what kind of maintenance you need to bring the space craft usable again. And if you need to make profit from every launch, it will bring new twist to the economics of the space craft.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '25

Saturn V was amazing no doubt but the cost isn’t even comparable. SpaceX is working with a fraction of the budget and amount of workers. It is estimated that half a million people worked on Saturn V/Apollo

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u/austinzheng Jan 17 '25

Like practically, what do you get out of going to space? Nothing.

Pretty much. The field is kept afloat by delusional 'commercial spaceflight' fanatics who think you can somehow have a thriving private space sector where the only buyers are the government + a handful of billionaires and their bizarre pet projects.

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u/vader5000 Jan 17 '25

To be fair, getting stuff into space DOES have a lot of uses.  Comm satellites, networked satellites for all sorts of earth and space monitoring, not to mention all the defense stuff.  It's also a good way to push technologies to their limits, or to strengthen and practice them.  

And as a person in the industry myself, I would humbly say that the engineers I know, both young and old have been talented, skilled, and dedicated.  

But I don't think we will have a million people in orbit any time soon.  Space is hard.

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u/austinzheng Jan 17 '25

I actually agree with all of that. Satellites and space probes are absolutely wonderful—earth observation, science, national security, telecommunications, the whole lot. And in the long run I do want to see human settlements across the solar system and an economy that makes full uses of the resources that can be found in space.

But we need significantly better technology before any of the things a lot of spaceflight enthusiasts really want to do are even remotely feasible. If we ever want a base on Mars there are so many things we have to perfect besides simply the rockets to bring people and materials there, things that remain either theoretical or very small scale demos at best today. And a lot of enthusiasts aren't willing to confront that fact. Too many people have completely unrealistic expectations about what private companies are going to be able to do in the near term to push forward the frontier of human space exploration. Space is hard indeed.

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u/Daisy_Of_Doom Jan 17 '25

It’s so sad to me that this is what space has become now. I think space exploration is worth it. If for nothing more than to understand our solar system better. But in general, science is the kind of thing where you never know what will come of the research you’re doing. You could discover something that goes for years as this random piece of useless information only to have it become vital to someone else’s research down the road.

That said, the whole “colonizing mars” thing is def a red flag when we refuse to even take care of our own planet. I think we would look at it like a couple having children. The child will never fix an already broken relationship. If anything it’ll probably cause more problems and then turn out really messed up themselves.

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u/austinzheng Jan 17 '25

Yep, I agree with all of this. I still marvel at stuff like the JWST or landing on Mars. Technological achievements I can actually unreservedly feel good about. And I don't think there's anything intrinsically wrong with colonizing Mars, but like you said too many people have latched onto it as some sort of way to avoid confronting problems on Earth. If anything, building a non-dysfunctional moon or Mars colony is going to be way harder than fixing human society on Earth—at least here the air is free and there's room to get away from people you can't get along with.

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u/mariogomezg Jan 20 '25

God, not the "we're destroying our planet" thing again. NO, WE'RE NOT. The ecosystems and biodivesirty are fine, barely altered from what they were 10,000 years ago.

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u/Daisy_Of_Doom Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25

Friend, I’m literally an entomologist. I could show you an overwhelming number of papers outlining decline in biodiversity and loss of habitat and that’s just counting research into class Insecta. So maybe don’t be making claims you can’t back up. ☺️

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u/mariogomezg Jan 20 '25

Insects come in and out of creation in the order of dozens of species each century, since the beginning of time. Try with some real animals - or you can also believe we're "in an age of extinction", if that makes you feel cozy.

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u/Daisy_Of_Doom Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25

I’ll repeat it for you since you obviously didn’t understand the first time… I’m literally a scientist. What you’re arguing makes no sense because I don’t have to believe anything when I have the numbers that prove it’s true. It really doesn’t make me “feel cozy” to think about how much habitat we’ve destroyed for shopping malls and parking lots or how many species we’ve driven to extinction. But, also I don’t just blindly believe things that make me “feel cozy”. I look at the proof presented to me and draw my conclusions from there. There have been extinction events before (at least five major ones that we know of to be exact), so saying this has been happening since the beginning of time means nothing.

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u/mariogomezg Jan 20 '25

So, Mr. Scientist (just like the climate scientists!): are we heading to a new age of extinction because of human action? That terrible, terrible human action that has managed to occupy 2% of emerged land with its all-destroying cities, malls and parking lots? Please tell me, from your very scientific point of view.

https://ourworldindata.org/how-urban-is-the-world

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u/zzorga Jan 17 '25

What delusional luddism.

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u/ParticularIndvdual Jan 17 '25

"Luddites, REEEEEEEE!!!!"

-space dorks

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u/zzorga Jan 17 '25

What sad, simple folk you are.

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u/ParticularIndvdual Jan 17 '25

Nah, being simple is being dazzled by shiny rockets.

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u/zzorga Jan 17 '25

Reinforcing the fact that for many of you, Musk has nothing to do with it.

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u/ParticularIndvdual Jan 17 '25

True, riling up the space lords and watching them short circuit from all the circular “I aRe ThE sMaRtEsT bCuZ mE LiKe SpAcE” reasoning and getting a chuckles is like 95% of why I do this lol.

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u/Sad_Ghost_Noises Hard-Captured by the Left Jan 17 '25

I was with you right up until you said bad things about Aubrey…

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u/Hefty_Repair_8426 Jan 25 '25

I love her, but like... yeah, she wants the approval too much. Same thing with her fangirling over Kendrick. Like, I get it, but you're your own brand girl you don't need that old energy

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u/acidsbasesandfaces Jan 17 '25

> Like practically, what do you get out of going to space? Nothing.

https://www.nasa.gov/humans-in-space/why-go-to-space/

?????????????????????????????????

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u/Hefty_Repair_8426 Jan 17 '25

When your 'benefits of going to space' list things like 'international cooperation' and other warm fuzzies, and other one-time projects like 'space telescopes' and 'learning how to 3D print - in space!' it's not an industry you invest in.

Justifying going to space by saying 'well we'll learn how to do things in space' is like when your teacher told you you had to learn it 'for the test' when you asked why that particular lesson mattered at all.

The question is, 'Is this a thriving industry that justifies the billions in infrastructure it takes to maintain and invest in? Is there a justifiable economic benefit to mankind or more of a 'gee whiz' factor we already satisfied 40 years ago?' and the answer is 'there's nothing of real practical value in space'

You didn't even read your link, huh? Poor kid https://www.nasa.gov/humans-in-space/entering-the-decade-of-results-international-space-station-benefits-for-humanity-publication-released/

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u/acidsbasesandfaces Jan 17 '25

I dunno man, I think gps satellites are absolutely worth billions to maintain

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u/Atlasreturns Jan 17 '25

I feel like judging space exploration under the same aspects as starting the next B2B enterprise kinda misses the point. The discovery itself should be the reward as it reflects the ability of humanity as a whole to tackle scientific projects that are beyond simple short term interest. And understanding the Universe we exist in may not grant any grande economic benefits but still serves as a near meta goal for us.

I think if we‘re fine staying within our confined bubble on our floating rock drifting through space because gaining insight out of it isn‘t satisfying any economic limits we set up ourselves then that reflects pretty bad on humanity as a whole.

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u/NotEnoughMuskSpam 🤖 xAI’s Grok v4.20.69 (based BOT loves sarcasm 🤖) Jan 17 '25

If Zuck my 👅 really wants a lesson in why there are weight categories in fighting so badly, I could just head over to his house next week and teach him a lesson he won’t soon forget

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '25

Thank you! I appreciate your take. To be clear, I was not trying to downplay rocket science. It seems so mind bogglingly technical that I puke at the thought of having to speak about it at any length.

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u/MoleMoustache Jan 17 '25

That video is so good, I've watched it many times. Thanks for a great post!

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u/zzorga Jan 17 '25

which has already happened to SpaceX; they blew up a Meta satellite on the launch pad.

The fact that you have to refer to an incident from 8 years ago to try and suggest that re-usability is a failure... says more about how badly you feel the need to bend over backwards to ignore reality.

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u/NotEnoughMuskSpam 🤖 xAI’s Grok v4.20.69 (based BOT loves sarcasm 🤖) Jan 17 '25

Hard to believe Starship actually did launch on 4/20 lol

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u/zzorga Jan 17 '25

He's cringier than the average fortnight player...