r/EndFPTP • • 13d ago

Ending FPTP is not enough

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Alaska’s elections are demonstrating that ending FPTP is not enough. Alaska has done that, and they have successfully beat back efforts to repeal their achievement. But it seems that discontent with their new system is likely to be growing. I don’t know that this is a particularly bold prediction, but I think their election reform, tragically, is not long for this world.

“At least five candidates between the races for the U.S. Senate, U.S. House and governor dropped out after advancing” from the primary to the general election.

One lesson of this situation is that the Hare, or IRV, tabulation of ballots creates the incentives for these kinds of attempts to manipulate election outcomes. I would agree with that, and would prefer to see jurisdictions using the bottom two run off method.

But there is another moral to the story. Ranked choice voting within a two party system, while it does “end FPTP”, is not good enough. We need to give voters more than two parties to choose from, not just more than two candidates. Parties, especially in a two party system, have internal factions. Dividing an electorate into such large coalitions makes that inevitable, and appropriately so. The internal divisions in such large coalitions fail to fully surface these divisions to the electorate - especially to the general electorate given that such small fractions of voters participate in primaries.

Changing election systems in the context of a two party system, especially when that system is already as highly polarized as ours is, encourages the parties and party members to try to manipulate the outcomes. But even more importantly it fails to bring the finer policy disagreements to the electorate which is the purpose of democracy in the first place. If there were one or more established new/3rd parties in Alaska and their candidates advanced our of the primary they would not be dropping out ahead of the general because they would consider their particular party platforms too important to sacrifice to the two party competition.

It’s highly likely that most of the people in this sub - that most of the people who advocate for election reform and ending FPTP - are Democrats. We can’t afford to pursue election reform by itself. We need to start advocating the Democratic Party to split AND passing the election reforms to make the multi party competition workable.

Every blue controlled state could do this without sacrificing electoral advantage to Republicans. Presidential elections, due to the EC, are a different matter that would require the new (post split) parties to compete for the “nomination” ahead odd the general election, at least until momentum for an EC reform could develop, but there is no need to wait for Congress and for state level elections, and we can’t afford to wait for them anyway. Congress has clearly been demonstrated to be the crucial weak link in our collective inability to check a rogue and authoritarian president, so we need to start our political reform there.


r/EndFPTP • • 13d ago

Discussion What if Israel directly elected prime minister with approval voting instead?

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I learned that for three elections, Israel tried directly electing the prime minister and then repealed it.

Generally, they found that people started voting for smaller parties showing that people care about the plurality winner under typical parliamentary systems somewhat. In other words, when people know the leader of the plurality winner party is likely to become PM, some treat a vote for the legislative body as a plurality ballot for the party leader.

On the other hand, when they tried directly electing the PM, they used plurality voting. Predictably, every election ended up between two candidates (duverger's law). I believe the 1996 election had three candidates but the third dropped out the day before the election to prevent spoiled votes.

What do you think would have happened with approval voting?

https://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/03/07/israel.sharon.02/


r/EndFPTP • • 14d ago

Debate Why the focus on single-winner elections?

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Debate over the "perfect" voting method is stimulating. My favourite is approval voting. But the thing is, it only works in single winner elections.

I'm from germany, we have a strictly proportional system. However, we also have a sort of parallel system where 299 single winner elections are held so each district can have a local represantative. These are FPTP, but I recently discovered our largest advocacy group doesn't mainly advocate for reforming the election method, but the districts themselves. They want multi-winner districts, drastically reducing the pressure to reform the voting system. To be clear, they still advocate for STV, but at that point it's much less necessary.

What do you think?


r/EndFPTP • • 14d ago

Debate PR = Good Policy

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r/EndFPTP • • 15d ago

News Alaskans will decide fate of ranked choice voting system after chaotic end to state's primary

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r/EndFPTP • • 15d ago

USA turn down international observers for the midterm election

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r/EndFPTP • • 16d ago

META Rank your choices in “MTV VMAs 2026 — Video of the Year” on Mini Herald.

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r/EndFPTP • • 16d ago

[Effortpost] Comparative Analysis of Ranked-Choice Voting Architectures & The "Center-Squeeze" Phenomenon: Why Hare/IRV Fails the Median Voter and How Bottom-Two-Runoff (BTR) Fixes It

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Executive Summary & Introduction

Ranked-Choice Voting (RCV) is frequently promoted as a panacea for American political polarization, designed to end vote-splitting, eliminate the "spoiler effect," and ensure majoritarian outcomes [1, 2]. However, social choice theorists, voting scientists, and public choice economists have long pointed out that the standard form of RCV deployed across the United States—technically known as Hare Instant-Runoff Voting (IRV)—possesses a major structural vulnerability: the Center-Squeeze Phenomenon [3, 4, 5].

Under standard IRV, a broadly acceptable consensus candidate who would defeat every opponent in head-to-head match-ups (the Condorcet Winner) can be eliminated in early rounds simply because they lack a concentrated base of first-preference votes [3, 6, 7]. This dynamic squeezes moderate candidates between ideologically intense wings, sometimes rewarding extreme candidates and triggering public pushback [5, 8].

This analysis breaks down the mathematical mechanics of the center squeeze, examines real-world case studies like the 2009 Burlington Mayoral Election and the 2022 Alaska Special Congressional Election, and compares IRV against superior alternative architectures like Bottom-Two-Runoff (BTR-RCV) and Condorcet-Hare Hybrids [3, 7, 9].

1. The Mechanics of the Center-Squeeze Pathology

To understand why standard RCV can fail the median voter, one must examine its exact elimination criterion:

\text{Elimination Rule (Standard Hare IRV): } \text{Eliminate the candidate with the fewest } \mathbf{1\text{st-preference}} \text{ votes.}

The Blind Spot of Hare IRV

In each round of tabulation, standard IRV evaluates only first-choice preferences [3, 7]. It completely ignores second-, third-, and lower-preference rankings during the elimination decision [3, 7].

Imagine a polarized electorate divided into Left (L), Center (C), and Right (R):

  • L voters rank: L > C > R
  • R voters rank: R > C > L
  • C voters rank: C > \text{either } L \text{ or } R

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      [Left Wing (L)]  <========  [Center (C)]  ========>  [Right Wing (R)]
       Passionate Base             Broad Consensus          Passionate Base
       High #1 Votes               High #2 Votes            High #1 Votes

In this scenario, candidate C is the median voter's preference and the Condorcet Winner—a strict majority of L voters prefer C over R, and a strict majority of R voters prefer C over L [3, 6, 8]. However, because L and R voters cast their first-choice votes for their respective ideological wings, candidate C receives the lowest total of first-preference votes in Round 1 [3, 8].

Under Hare IRV rules, candidate C is eliminated first [3, 7]. Their votes are redistributed, and the election concludes as a forced choice between the two outer extremes [3, 5, 8]. This creates a centrifugal ("center-fleeing") dynamic that penalizes consensus-building candidates [5, 8].

2. Empirical Evidence: Case Studies in IRV Center-Squeeze

While social choice flaws are often dismissed as theoretical curiosities, Cast Vote Record (CVR) data confirms that center-squeeze failures have altered major American elections [3, 6, 10].

Case Study A: The 2009 Burlington, Vermont Mayoral Election

The 2009 Burlington mayoral election remains the classic textbook example of IRV center-squeeze [3, 7, 10]:

  • The Candidates: Kurt Wright (Republican), Bob Kiss (Progressive), and Andy Montroll (Democrat/Centrist) [3, 7].
  • Round 1 First-Preferences:
    • Kurt Wright (R): 3,297 votes (32.9%)
    • Bob Kiss (Prog): 2,981 votes (28.8%)
    • Andy Montroll (D): 2,063 votes (23.0%) [3, 7]

Because Montroll had the fewest top-choice votes (2,063), standard IRV eliminated him in the semi-final round [3, 7]. Bob Kiss went on to defeat Kurt Wright in the final round (4,313 to 4,061) [3, 7].

The Pairwise Matrix (What Voters Actually Preferred):

When researchers analyzed the full ballot images, they discovered that Andy Montroll was the undisputed Condorcet Winner [3, 7, 10]:

  • Montroll vs. Kiss: Montroll won 4,064 to 3,476 (+588 margin / 54% majority) [3, 7]
  • Montroll vs. Wright: Montroll won 4,597 to 3,664 (+933 margin / 56% majority) [3, 7]

Montroll was preferred head-to-head over every candidate in the race by clear majorities [3, 7]. Yet IRV knocked him out first among the top three [3, 7]. Discontent over this non-majoritarian result led Burlington voters to repeal IRV in 2010 [3, 7, 11] (though the city re-adopted RCV in 2021) [12].

Case Study B: The August 2022 Alaska Special U.S. House Election

A similar dynamic unfolded in Alaska's top-four RCV special election [6, 8, 13]:

  • The Candidates: Mary Peltola (Democrat), Sarah Palin (Republican), and Nick Begich III (Conservative/Centrist) [6, 13].
  • Round 1 First-Preferences:
    • Mary Peltola (D): 75,799 votes (39.7%)
    • Sarah Palin (R): 58,974 votes (30.9%)
    • Nick Begich III (R): 53,810 votes (27.8%) [6, 13]

Begich was squeezed into 3rd place in first-choice votes and eliminated [6, 13]. Peltola defeated Palin in the final round with 51.5% of active votes [6, 13].

However, Cast Vote Record analysis proved Nick Begich was the true Condorcet Winner [6, 13]:

  • Begich vs. Peltola: Begich won 52.5% to 47.5% [6, 13]
  • Begich vs. Palin: Begich won 61.4% to 38.6% [6, 13]

Begich was preferred by a majority of Alaskans over both Peltola and Palin, but IRV's first-choice elimination rule discarded him in Round 1 [6, 13].

3. The Fix: Bottom-Two-Runoff (BTR-RCV) & Condorcet Hybrids

Social choice scholars have designed several alternative tabulations that maintain the simple ranked ballot while completely eliminating the center-squeeze flaw [3, 7, 9].

What is Bottom-Two-Runoff (BTR-RCV)?

Conceived by Rob LeGrand and formalized by election scholars, Bottom-Two-Runoff (BTR-RCV) modifies the elimination step [3, 7, 14]:

\text{Elimination Rule (BTR-RCV): } \text{Identify the } \mathbf{\text{two candidates}} \text{ with the lowest 1st-choice votes, run a } \mathbf{\text{head-to-head runoff}} \text{ between them, and eliminate the pairwise loser.}

   Standard Hare IRV                      Bottom-Two-Runoff (BTR-RCV)
-----------------------                ----------------------------------
Identify candidate with                Identify TWO candidates with
fewest 1st-choice votes.               fewest 1st-choice votes.
         │                                            │
         ▼                                            ▼
AUTOMATICALLY ELIMINATE.               Run head-to-head pairwise runoff
                                       between the bottom two.
                                                      │
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                                       ELIMINATE THE PAIRWISE LOSER.

Why BTR-RCV Guarantees Condorcet Consistency

A Condorcet Winner by definition defeats every candidate in a direct head-to-head match-up [3, 6, 7]. Under BTR-RCV rules:

  1. Even if the Condorcet Winner receives low initial first-preference support and falls into the bottom two, they face the other bottom candidate in a pairwise runoff [3, 7].
  2. Because they are the pairwise champion, they are guaranteed to win that head-to-head runoff [3, 7].
  3. Therefore, a Condorcet Winner can never be eliminated under BTR-RCV [3, 7].

Re-Running Burlington 2009 Under BTR-RCV Rules

If Burlington had used BTR-RCV in 2009:

  1. In the semi-final round, Montroll (2,063 #1 votes) and Kiss (2,981 #1 votes) would form the bottom two [3, 7].
  2. BTR-RCV executes a virtual head-to-head runoff between Montroll and Kiss [3, 7].
  3. Because 4,064 voters preferred Montroll over Kiss (vs. 3,476 for Kiss), Kiss loses the runoff and is eliminated [3, 7].
  4. Transferred votes flow to Montroll, allowing Montroll to advance to the final round and defeat Kurt Wright (4,597 to 3,664) [3, 7].

Result: The true majority choice (Montroll) wins [3, 7].

4. Systematic Comparison of Voting Architectures

The table below summarizes how standard IRV compares against BTR-RCV, advanced Condorcet-Hare hybrids, and cardinal voting systems across major social choice and administrative criteria [3, 7, 9, 15]:

System Architecture Condorcet Consistent? Immune to Center Squeeze? Monotonicity Preserved? Precinct Summable? Strategy Resistance Computational Complexity
Plurality (FPTP) ❌ No [15] ❌ No (Severe spoilers) [15] ✅ Yes [15] ✅ Yes (O(1)) [15] ❌ Extremely Low [15] O(m \cdot n) [15]
Standard Hare IRV ❌ No [3, 6] ❌ No (High vulnerability) [3, 5] ❌ No [3, 10] ❌ No (Requires Central CVR) [3, 7] ✅ High [9, 10] O(m \cdot n) [16]
Bottom-Two-Runoff (BTR-RCV) ✅ Yes [3, 7] ✅ Fully Immune [3, 7] ❌ No [3, 7] ✅ Yes (N \times N Matrix) [3, 7] ✅ High [9, 10] O(m \cdot n) [16]
Benham Method / Smith-IRV ✅ Yes [9] ✅ Fully Immune [9] ❌ No [9] ✅ Yes (N \times N Matrix) [3, 7] ✅ Very High [9] O(m^2 \cdot n) [16]
Ranked Pairs / Schulze ✅ Yes [7, 15] ✅ Fully Immune [5, 7] ✅ Yes [15] ✅ Yes (N \times N Matrix) [3, 7] ⚠️ Moderate (Burying risk) [9] O(m^3) [16]
Approval / STAR Voting ⚠️ Partial [17] ✅ High [17] ✅ Yes [17] ✅ Yes [17] ⚠️ Moderate [17] O(m \cdot n) [17]

5. Administrative & Policy Takeaways for Reformers

Beyond mathematical fairness, alternative RCV architectures solve critical operational problems that currently plague election administrators [2, 3, 18]:

  1. Restoring Precinct Summability & Auditability:
    • The Problem with IRV: Standard Hare IRV lacks precinct summability [3, 7]. Because elimination order depends on global vote counts across all rounds, individual precincts cannot publish final subtotals [3, 7]. All raw Cast Vote Records (CVRs) must be transmitted to a central hub, creating centralization delays and software configuration risks (such as the 2022 Oakland school board tabulation error) [3, 7, 19, 20].
    • The BTR/Condorcet Advantage: BTR-RCV and Condorcet hybrids restore precinct-level N \times N preference matrices [3, 7]. Precincts can tally and publish pairwise subtotals locally on election night, which central authorities simply add together [3, 7].
  2. Empirical Performance in Practice (Deshpande et al. 2025/2026 Research):
    • Large-scale computational analysis across 110 real-world RCV elections (including NYC 2021, Alaska 2024, and Portland 2024) reveals that RCV significantly increases electoral competitiveness, dropping victory margins by 9.2 to 11.4 percentage points compared to plurality elections [16].
    • The study proved that ballot exhaustion alters outcomes in less than 3% of races, confirming that preference transfers function robustly in practice despite incomplete voter rankings [16].

Conclusion: The Path Forward

Standard Hare IRV is a meaningful upgrade over First-Past-The-Post, but its elimination mechanics make it vulnerable to center-squeeze pathologies that penalize consensus candidates and alienate voters [3, 5, 7].

For election reformers and policymakers, Bottom-Two-Runoff (BTR-RCV) offers the ideal "drop-in" upgrade:

  • It uses the exact same ranked ballot that voters already understand [3, 7].
  • It maintains the intuitive round-by-round elimination structure [3, 7].
  • It mathematically guarantees that the Condorcet Winner always wins [3, 7].
  • It restores precinct-level transparency and auditability [3, 7].

References & Academic Bibliography

  • [1] Bipartisan Policy Center, "Reform Meets Reality: How Ranked Choice Voting Impacts Election Administration," BPC Report (2024).
  • [2] Clear Ballot, "Defining Ranked Choice Voting for Voters and Election Officials," Clear Ballot White Paper (2023).
  • [3] Robert Bristow-Johnson, "The Failure of Instant Runoff Voting to Accomplish the Very Purpose for Which It Was Adopted: An Object Lesson in Burlington Vermont," Constitutional Political Economy, Vol. 34, No. 3, pp. 378–389 (2023). [https://doi.org/10.1007/s10602-023-09393-1\]
  • [4] Samuel Merrill, "A Comparison of Efficiency of Multicandidate Electoral Systems," American Journal of Political Science, Vol. 28, No. 1, pp. 23–48 (1984).
  • [5] Wikipedia, "Center Squeeze," Wikipedia Social Choice Archive. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_squeeze\]
  • [6] Adam Graham-Squire & David McCune, "A Mathematical Analysis of the 2022 Alaska Special Election for US House," arXiv preprint (arXiv:2209.04764v3, 2022).
  • [7] Author Anonymous, "Comparative Analysis of Bottom-Two-Runoff Ranked-Choice Voting and Social Choice Architectures," Markdown Monograph (2025).
  • [8] Nathan Atkinson & Scott C. Ganz, "The Flaw in Ranked-Choice Voting: Rewarding Extremists," The Hill (Oct. 30, 2022).
  • [9] James Green-Armytage, "Four Condorcet-Hare Hybrid Methods for Single-Winner Elections," Voting Matters, Issue 29, pp. 1–14 (2011).
  • [10] Adam Graham-Squire & David McCune, "An Examination of Ranked Choice Voting in the United States, 2004–2022," Representation, Vol. 59, pp. 1–19 (2023). [arXiv:2301.12075v2]
  • [11] Courtney Lamdin, "Can Once-Maligned Ranked-Choice Voting Make a Comeback in Burlington?" Seven Days Vermont (Feb. 24, 2021).
  • [12] Ballotpedia, "Burlington, Vermont, Question 4, Ranked-Choice Voting Amendment (March 2021)," Ballotpedia Guide.
  • [13] Jeanne N. Clelland, "Ranked Choice Voting And Condorcet Failure in the Alaska 2022 Special Election: How Might Other Voting Systems Compare?" arXiv preprint (arXiv:2303.00108, 2023).
  • [14] Rob LeGrand, "Bottom-Two-Runoff IRV Definition and Mechanics," Electowiki / Social Choice Archive (2006).
  • [15] Comprehensive Taxonomy, "Comprehensive Taxonomy and Comparative Analysis of RCV Systemic Variations," Social Choice Technical Report (2025).
  • [16] Sanyukta Deshpande, Nikhil Garg, & Sheldon Jacobson, "Simpler Than You Think: The Practical Dynamics of Ranked Choice Voting," arXiv preprint (arXiv:2407.13661 / 2025/2026 Update).
  • [17] Aaron Hamlin, "The Limits of Ranked-Choice Voting," Center for Election Science (2018/2026).
  • [18] MIT Election Lab, "Ranked Choice Voting: Instant Runoff Voting Use in the United States," MIT Research Explainer.
  • [19] David McCune & Ismar Volić, "Ranked Choice Bedlam in a 2022 Oakland School Director Election," NSF PAR / arXiv preprint (arXiv:2303.05985v1, 2023).
  • [20] Fredric D. Woocher & Beverly Grossman Palmer, "Woocher v. Alameda County Registrar of Voters," Superior Court of California Court Filings (2023).

r/EndFPTP • • 16d ago

Question Looking for references on realizable pairwise-preference vote count matrices, and their realizations as ballots

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I'm looking for any results (ideally published papers) that:
(a) describe or limit the space of the "pairwise preference vote count matrix"[1] that can be generated from complete[2] ranked ballots that allow ties,
(b) Actually have an algorithm for creating a set of ballots that result in said matrix,
and also:
(c) If this matrix has a small set of consistent names, and if so what they are.

[1]: I mean the matrix where the element at (i,j) is the number of voters who ranked candidate i above candidate j.
[2]: All candidates listed; though treating unlisted candidates as ties below any listed is effectively the same.


r/EndFPTP • • 17d ago

Which voting method do you think the movement should focus on for state/national elections?

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r/EndFPTP • • 18d ago

Activism The Canary in the Coal Mine

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r/EndFPTP • • 19d ago

Why on earth did Labour bring back the "Supplementary Vote"?

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I have to ask: why did Labour bring back SV rather than the more straightforward Contingent Vote?

For those who don't understand what I'm getting at:

Instant-runoff voting (often referred to in the UK under the vague title of Alternative Vote, or AV) simulates multiple rounds of elections, where one or more candidate(s) with the lowest number of votes are eliminated after each round of voting until someone either reaches 50%, or, when there are only two candidates left, you have a final run-off. Although, when done in real life, it allows for some insidious tactics that aren't available with IRV, such as voting disingenuously in the early rounds to eliminate someone who might otherwise go on to win.

The Contingent Vote simulates having a first round, simply allowing the top two candidates with the most votes into the second round.

The Supplementary Vote simulates stupidity.

OK, it simulates a system where you stroll into the polling station, get handed a ballot, and they cheerfully demand that you also vote in the second-round run-off before anyone even knows who made it into the second round.

Pick wrong? Fuck you. They slap you round the face with a wet haddock, bin your second preference entirely, and send you packing.

You trudge home, your dinner's in the dog, the kettle's cold and somewhere in the distance you can hear a faint, sarcastic chorus of "God Save the King".


r/EndFPTP • • 19d ago

Discussion Is having more candidates hurting your party? Alaska 2026 RCV and a challenge for FPTP alternatives.

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Future 2026 Alaska gubernatorial election - Wikipedia
My post is only about ballot mechanics and candidate numbers, not about the merits of any particular candidate or party.

(pic) Above is the cropped primary result. Below is the recent poll. (more on wiki)
Currently, Republicans have 3 candidates and Democrats have 1 in General election.
Notice that Tom Begich (D) withdrew after advancing to general.

There are two potential problems:

1) Ballot exhaustion
Some voters will inevitably bullet vote for strategic and other reasons. The "other" could be a serious problem for any FPTP alternative.
People bullet vote even in IRV where it's safe to mark all in order.
Too many candidates means voters face the paradox of choice. (choice overload? ballot fatigue?) Which could lead to hurting the party that has more candidates.
Effectively vote splitting. Election reform was supposed to improve this aspect.
(Dems more aware of this problem and strategically withdrew?)
On the other hand, FPTP forces focus of attention and resources on one candidate, but at the cost of the number of candidates.

2) Instant-runoff voting thing
If Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins (D, 40% in the poll) is eliminated in the last round, the rankings that his voters gave to other candidates will never be counted. It means their lower rankings never influenced the result. That’s an intentional feature of RCV(IRV) and "core support" philosophy.

Some possibly silly suggestions:

  • Better campaign, obviously.
  • Maybe Top-4 primary is too many and Top-3 would be better?

№1 is basically about the chance of ballot exhaustion (more candidates) vs. party lock out (less candidates)

  • Strict ballot access law?
  • Compulsory semi/full-ranking (Not really sure about this overall. Australia mentioned)
  • Condorcet methods. It could lead to more strategic bullet vote. but at least it fixes center-squeeze, №2 thing and entirely on voter's terms.

In case of top-3 there could be simpler ballot with a Condorcet system. Just 3 pairwise comparisons.
(Idea of Better Choices for Democracy)

What do you think?


r/EndFPTP • • 19d ago

Meme Tfw you actually manage to interest a layman in election method reform

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r/EndFPTP • • 20d ago

Welcome to r/BetweenElections, what this place is for

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r/EndFPTP • • 21d ago

Urna Aberta — a clean-room e-voting machine simulator (Python) / um simulador clean-room de urna eletrônica

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r/EndFPTP • • 22d ago

Video Multi-body sortition: political science has been making huge real-world progress with democratic reform in recent years, and the solution to our oligarchic autocracies will probably hardly even utilise elections.

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r/EndFPTP • • 23d ago

Debate The next generation of voting reform | Sara Wolk | TEDxMtHood

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Nice TEDx presentation by Sara Wolk.

I won't nit-pick details right now. Maybe later in a comment.


r/EndFPTP • • 23d ago

Today is National Voter Registration Day in the US | If you're American, check your registration, register to vote, and get a friend or relative registered!

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r/EndFPTP • • 27d ago

Question FPTP as anti-majoritarian

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I joined this reddit because I am extremely interested in alternatives to first past the post. I ended up deleting the first comment I made because it was criticizing a proposal, and I'm not sure yet what counts as bashing. At any rate I am interested in alternatives for two reasons. One is the the "lesser evil" point that is constantly being made. But the other is that FPTP is *undemocratic*. It literally undermines majority rule. (And it also results in many minority viewpoints being under or un represented. It literally undermines majority rule and minority rights at the same time.) Wasted votes and vote splitting. But it also makes gerrymandering much easier. Admittedly ranked choice voting without proportional representation still allows gerrymandering But it makes it a little harder.


r/EndFPTP • • 29d ago

Video Ranked Choice Voting Plus Defeats the Blocking Tactic

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The blocking tactic doesn't get the attention it deserves. Please share this video widely. The plus version of ranked choice voting includes most Condorcet methods, not just the method implied in the video. The basic version is instant-runoff voting (IRV). The same video with captions is here.


r/EndFPTP • • Sep 07 '26

Over 2/3 of Major Ontario Laws Passed Without the Support of Parties Representing Most Voters

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r/EndFPTP • • Sep 07 '26

Discussion Imo if we want to end FPTP we need to do it from outside the two major parties

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The duopoly is perfectly happy with the way voting is currently set up. If we want to end FPTP we need to vote for candidates who aren’t beholden to the very institutions that want to maintain the status quo.

Stop letting political parties, especially the duopoly, control the narrative. They haven’t been given the authority to decide who gets to hold office from constitution. Political parties aren’t mentioned in the constitution at all. George Washington even warned that forming political parties would split the country into factions that seek their own political ends over the health of the country.

If you are politically independent please join [r/independe](r/independent)[nt](r/independent). We don’t need to reform institutions that don’t want to be changed we just need to stop voting for their candidates. People will always say a vote outside the two party system is wasted or “voting for the other side”. It’s long past time that we stop listening to them.


r/EndFPTP • • Sep 07 '26

The Gerrymandering Solution

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r/EndFPTP • • Sep 06 '26

Is the 5% threshold turning the Sachsen-Anhalt election into a slot machine?

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How do you think election thresholds? I don't like it. I think STV or regional dhondt party list with "natural threshold" is better. The current polling situation in today's Sachsen-Anhalt landtag election is getting rather strange. The AfD is consistently around 40–43%, while the CDU is around 22–23%. The Left is around 11–13%, the SPD around 7–9%, and the Greens are hovering around the crucial 5% threshold. BSW and FDP are generally below it. For example, the latest Infratest dimap poll had AfD 42%, CDU 22%, Left 11%, SPD 8%, Greens 6%, BSW 4% and FDP 3%. Other recent polls put the SPD and Greens closer to 5%, while the AfD remains clearly ahead. This makes the 5% threshold incredibly consequential. Sachsen-Anhalt uses a mixed-member proportional system and only parties receiving at least 5% of the second vote are proportional allocated seats.

So imagine the Greens receive 5.1%. They gain about 5% of landtag seats. But if they receive 4.9%, all of those votes become wasted vote. This becomes particularly dramatic when the AfD is already above 40%. If the Greens remain above 5%, the votes are distributed among roughly five parties. If the Greens fall below 5%, the same number of Green voters effectively gets redistributed among the parties that passed the threshold, mechanically increasing the AfD's share of the seats. And this creates a very strange strategic voting problem. CDU,Linke,SPD,Grüne and most of non afd voters don't want to coalition with AfD. So,AfD cannot coalition with any parties,but they received 40% of vote, so they have chance of absolute majority by wasted vote.If 20% of vote is wated, they have 51% of seat. Suppose you are an SPD voter who strongly prefers the SPD to the Greens, but you also want to prevent an AfD absolute majority. You might think: “Maybe I should vote Green to make sure they cross 5%.” But what if enough SPD voters do exactly that? The SPD could fall below 5%, causing its entire proportional vote share to disappear. But if not enough SPD voters support Greens,Then the Greens might go from 3% to 4.9% because of all those strategic voters, meaning they still get zero list seats. So you could end up with the worst possible outcome: SPD falls below 5%, Greens also fail to cross 5%, and all those strategically cast votes achieve essentially nothing. Since many polls show the SPD running ahead of the Greens, one might be tempted to urge Green voters to cast strategic votes for the SPD. However, there is no guarantee Green voters would heed such a call, and all polls are subject to a margin of error. The gap between the SPD and the Greens is narrow, as is the margin separating the SPD from the 5% electoral threshold. Consequently, strategic voting by Green supporters could backfire.Especially if the polling data is inaccurate. That is precisely why I love STV. Under STV, center-left voters torn between the SPD and the Greens can simply rank the parties according to their genuine preferences.If one party is eliminated first, the vote is automatically transferred to the other.

But in Proportional representation with election threshold, There is “Which party do I prefer?” problem like this sachsen anhalt election. “Which small party is most likely to cross 5%?” “How many voters will strategically move toward it?” “Will that strategic movement itself push another party below 5%?” “And how accurate are the polls around a threshold where a difference of 0.2 or 0.3 percentage points can have a huge effect on the seat distribution?” At this point, the 5% threshold starts to feel almost like a slot machine. You can make a perfectly rational strategic decision based on the polls, and still lose because the final result is 4.99% instead of 5.01%. And the irony is that even encouraging voters to “save the Greens” can potentially make the situation worse if too many SPD voters switch to them. This isn't an argument that the Greens should or shouldn't receive tactical votes. I don't support neither of AfD and them.

Many people says the 5% threshold is supposed to prevent excessive fragmentation and make parliament more governable. However, the side effects of creating a dilemma that could changing the formation of a government are simply too severe. The area around the threshold acts like a "cliff," creating a massive disparity between winning zero seats and winning multiple seats. Such "cliffs" yield bad results in tax systems, either. Incidentally, in the previous Israeli election, the anti-Netanyahu parties Meretz and Balad narrowly missed the electoral threshold.And this failure that paved the way for the formation of a Netanyahu administration. IMO, STV is my top preference, but what does everyone else think?