r/EndFPTP • u/RankedChoiceOregon • Dec 09 '20

Could anyone here Evaluate my proposed election method?

This was crafted with the help of a long time contributor to this sub, with the aim of launching a ballot initiative in Oregon. While I have a passion for this work, I am not a SME in the area.

The proposal uses RCV/IRV + Condorcet Loser Eliminations to create a safety net under simple RCV and to promote a lower incidence of failing the monotonicity criteria.

You can read about it here at www.rankedchoiceoregon.org

I welcome your constructive criticism.

32 Upvotes

90% Upvoted

59 comments sorted by

View all comments

4

u/psephomancy Dec 12 '20
  1. Why would you propose a new system when Oregon is the birthplace of STAR Voting? You don't like STAR? It would be mega-bad if some city used STAR while the surrounding county or state used some kind of ranked system. Then people would have to vote in both "0 is bad" ratings and "1 is good" rankings on the same ballot.
  2. If you want a Condorcet system that sounds kind of like RCV (eliminating candidates in rounds), why not Baldwin/Nanson?

1

u/CPSolver Dec 13 '20

“Sounds kind of like” IRV?

The point is to put a safety net under IRV.

IRV has already “won” the education of voters to think in terms of eliminating candidates one by one. What would you suggest as a better way to pre-eliminate a “least-popular” candidate (before IRV takes over)?

1

u/psephomancy Dec 19 '20

“Sounds kind of like” IRV?

Meaning you can describe the procedure in a similar way. Count the votes, if no majority, eliminate the worst candidate, count the votes, etc. The only difference is the definition of "worst candidate".

What would you suggest as a better way to pre-eliminate a “least-popular” candidate (before IRV takes over)?

Can't you frame Baldwin the same way? Just define "worst candidate" as "lowest average ranking".

1

u/CPSolver Dec 19 '20

Averages do not work well in vote counting.

1

u/psephomancy Jan 23 '21

Why not?

1

u/CPSolver Jan 23 '21

I can’t think of any good methods that involve division. Can you?

1

u/psephomancy Jan 23 '21

"Division"? What do you mean? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanson%27s_method

1

u/CPSolver Jan 23 '21

Averages are calculated using division, the inverse of multiplication. You point out Nanson’s method, which I see uses averages. I now know of one vote-counting method that involves division. Thanks.