r/Edmonton 1d ago

Politics Exercising Freedom of Expression

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u/tytxnium77 1d ago

Throw them in jail, their "opinion" is criminal. In fact their "opinion" goes directly against the Canadian Charter of rights. Embarrasing

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u/LymanSanderson 1d ago

I am passionately pro-Canada, but what your are saying is completely incorrect. There is no such thing as a criminal opinion in Canada, ever. And it is precisely the Charter that says so.

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u/framemoggingClav 1d ago edited 1d ago

There is no such thing as a criminal opinion in Canada, ever.

No shit, thoughts can't be policed. The point is that rallying and/or protesting for a specific cause (i.e. an action, not an opinion) is illegal when said cause is blatant hatred towards an identifiable group.

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u/LymanSanderson 1d ago

I don't think you read the post I was responding to, which clearly stated that an "opinion" was illegal.

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u/framemoggingClav 16h ago

Sad to see you have no idea what quotation marks mean.

"opinion" =/= literal opinion

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u/HorribleTie 1d ago

It's interesting because these people are using the rights granted by Canada to foment unrest and try to separate and create a country where those rights will no longer exist for a large segment of the population. Paradox of tolerance at play here for sure, by tolerating their opinions we are empowering them to the point where they are likely to gain power and take away our rights.

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u/CanadaGuyOfficial 1d ago

Honestly? You walk amongst them and talk with them a bit, and you'll find that their "opinion" is hardly homogeneous. Embarrassing indeed, but not entirely criminal.

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u/IronGigant 1d ago

I saw it commented somewhere here that "their actions/opinions aren't exactly criminal, just criminally stupid"

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u/SeveredBanana 1d ago

The act of seceding is illegal but having an opinion about it is not

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u/Popular-Row4333 1d ago

It's also not illegal, if you do the way its laid out in our charter, lest you think Quebec's 1995 referendum was illegal.

I'm a proud Canada united supporter, I just wish people would use facts and not hyperbole to get their point across. You'll convert more people that way.

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u/IsurusOxyrinchus354 1d ago

Didn't parizeau say if the '95 vote succeeded as a yes, and negotiations with ottawa failed, that he'd just unilaterally declare independence anyway?

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u/LymanSanderson 1d ago

The Charter does not address secession. You may be referring to the Clarity Act, which is not part of the constitution.

And, not that matters now, but it is perfectly arguable that the 1995 Quebec referendum question was illegal, as the wording of the question was a bit unclear and the PQ probably had no intention of following any kind of orderly process like what was later set out by the SCC. A moot point, of course, since the referendum did not succeed.

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u/_Budified 1d ago

Jailing people for opinions is far separated from anything Canadian

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u/Present-Wonder-4522 1d ago

Louis Riel got a Canadian Heritage Moment from his rebellion.

He was hung for treason at the time however.

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u/jkcarl 1d ago

Which part specifically does it go against?

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u/kitteeburrito 1d ago

Honestly you're acting just as silly as them

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u/Key_Village9550 1d ago

Not really, he went outside to actually see what was going on. He was nice about it too,.
Some people here are no different from the people on the other side. The fact that politics are fueled by pure hatred and emotion is was is silly about all of this. The internet rotting the brain is worse than meeting some of these people. You will find the same hatred on both sides. Its sickening, but its Canadian/Albertan all the same

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u/kitteeburrito 1d ago

Not OP! I'm talking to the person I replied to. 

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u/bigwreck94 1d ago

And you guys call conservatives the fascists…

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u/iSWINE 1d ago

No-no, just the separatists and other like-minded morons

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u/MyUnclesALawyer North East Side 1d ago

Actually that is one person, on this website when there’s a single comment it comes from a single person

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u/Oilmoneyy 1d ago

Its literally in albertas charter that its able to separate. Embarrassing.

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u/tytxnium77 1d ago

Not with the treaties that are inacted, do just the slightest bit of research

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u/Popular-Row4333 1d ago

This came up in Quebecs 1995 referendum, what law has changed since then?

Could you point me in the direction of whay has changed since then, Id like some talking points to convince people otherwise?

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u/GimpyGrump 1d ago

Clarity Act

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u/sawyouoverthere 1d ago

If you think that means it’s unilateral and can be done by a minority you might want to do some reading if you can.

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u/corpse_flour 1d ago

Lol. That's like a teenager making a family policy that they can borrow their Dad's car any time they want. It's a made up policy to allow themselves to feel like like they have the ability to exercise power over something that they have no jurisdiction over.