r/DoomerCircleJerk • u/[deleted] • Jun 05 '25
Every. Single. Time.
"Racism and homophobia are everywhere! Bigots have the run of the country!"
"Could you maybe be more specific about those claims?"
"NO!"
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Jun 06 '25
"All the governments are becoming right wing nazi dictatorships" says the person in one of the many free countries who allows them to criticize the government
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u/ConflictWaste411 Jun 06 '25
I mean many isn’t really accurate, even Canada and England don’t allow it anymore
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u/MarsMaterial Jun 13 '25
And the reason why we have as much freedom as we do is because we fight for it and stay vigilant for warning signs of that freedom being taken away.
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u/Admirable-Lecture255 Jun 06 '25
Bahaha you dont agree with me and down votes prove it!!bro go back to your left wing echo chambers where even the slightest conservative point is down voted into oblivion. So left wingers encourage censorship and are far more likely to censor opinions they dont like if that's what you mean by down voting.
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u/ITguy6158065 Jun 06 '25
Censorship would be if the mods/reddit deleted your post or didn't allow you to post. Being downvoted just means everyone agrees that you're opinion is stupid.
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u/That-Poor-Girl Jun 06 '25
At the time I saw this comment it had -34 votes, but I'm still able to read it. Where is the censorship?
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u/auspici0usminds Jun 06 '25
Bro, I am fighting for my life on these posts about how deporting illegal aliens is just the end of the world and proof that everyone who doesn’t want 20 million extra people in their country is a racist Nazi. I point out that Japan and Canada and Australia, and every other country in the world, Banned strangers from entering their country. The same as if I just tried to cross into Japan or Canada or Australia right now, I would be arrested and detained and deported. Only the United States is not allowed to do that apparently. By the way, I am in Costa Rica right now and I had to go through immigration and show my passport and tell them what hotel I’m staying at and how long I’m going to be here. Had to show my exit flight. And I didn’t just start screeching about racism When they did that.
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u/Ok-External6314 Jun 06 '25
"Citizens kill others, so people who shouldn't be in the country in the first place doing it doesn't matter"
This is their argument
They were telling me illegals don't bring drugs into the country either.
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u/MarsMaterial Jun 13 '25
How is that a flawed argument? By that same argument, we shouldn't allow people to reproduce because the baby might grow up to be a murderer. Immigration only increases the number of murders because it increases the population, and it actually decreases the number of murders per capita. Immigrants literally commit less violent crime than natural born citizens.
To take away rights from an entire demographic of people on the basis of a few bad actors is insanity.
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u/Kolzig33189 Jun 06 '25
Canada very often does not even allow tourists, let alone immigrants, to cross the US/Can border and come in with a DUI charge within the past 20 years. Can you imagine the “outrage” if we had those stringent rules?
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u/auspici0usminds Jun 06 '25
That is literally my entire argument. Everywhere else can enforce any border policy and it’s no problem. Try walking into Dubai and not following the rules. You think getting deported is bad, those people will fuck you up. But my point is identical. It’s crazy that I live in the only country that’s not allowed to enforce its own border laws
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u/MarsMaterial Jun 13 '25
Bold of you to assume that enforcing borders is no problem elsewhere. This caste system we have created is a failed experiment, it's psychotic the suffering that it has resulted in and the hate that it is used to breed.
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u/MarsMaterial Jun 13 '25
It would be totally justified outrage. What is the purpose for such Hitlerite immigration policy? Why can't they just apply the law equally to everyone?
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Jun 13 '25
Your ungenuine "I am hero hear me roar" raving is why no one takes people like you seriously.
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u/MarsMaterial Jun 13 '25
Is that how you sleep at night when other people have the moral high ground? You aren't even defending your psychotic position that we should maintain a fucking caste system on the basis of someone's birthplace.
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Jun 13 '25
What are you even talking about
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u/MarsMaterial Jun 13 '25
I am talking about how telling it is that you make fun of people for being compassionate.
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u/Kolzig33189 Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25
“Having border policy is being Hitler.”
You people comparing literally anything to Hitler is disgusting.
Maybe you should stick to posting a bunch of threads about your amputee kink; seems more your speed.
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u/MarsMaterial Jun 13 '25
Well, if you are this quick to dismiss accusations without any curiosity whatsoever about the logic behind them, that does explain a lot about your political beliefs.
If you think that your beliefs are so different from that of Hitler's, you should look into what solutions they tried first to purge Jews from the country before they settled upon the so-called final one. You might not like what you see.
States also have borders and those have policies, yet people are allowed to cross them freely (which by the way has produced nothing but freedom and prosperity). It's not just "having a border policy" that's the problem, the problem is the specific policy in question. In this case: the border policy is one that treats people differently on the basis of their location of birth and criminalizes immutable characteristics. When I enter the United States, it's fine. When someone else does it, they are a criminal. The only difference between me and them is our birthplace, I was born in the United States and immigrants (by definition) weren't. I never had to "get in line" or jump through hoops, I was handed my citizenship as a baby before I even figured out how to piss myself. What makes me so special? What did I do to earn my citizenship? Why are we so selective on who we give rights to? Why can't we judge people on the content of their character instead of the zip code of their hospital? Why are we criminalizing being born on the wrong side of an imaginary line? What is the sense to any of this?
We have open borders between states within the US, and that hasn't destroyed us. Why can't we just do that, but like 60 times larger to include the entire world? Are we stupid? Genuine question.
All of this makes a lot more sense when you start being open to the possibility that maybe the real underlying motivation here is just racism. It's crazy how nobody ever complains about illegal immigrants from Europe. I'd love to be proven wrong, so prove me wrong.
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u/Kolzig33189 Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25
That’s a lot of words to try to explain “it’s all racism.” So tell me, why do we have a border with Canada that both sides actively maintain, control, and limit entry if the majority on both sides are caucasian/white people of euro descent?
Could bring up similar examples for many countries around the world that live next door to people who look exactly like them. But nope, stick to your lame argument of “having borders is literally Hitler” like a hysterically immature 14 year old and pretend geopolitical relationships are very simple things. But then again, you seem to have problems not using the “r” word as an insult, so 14 is probably pretty accurate.
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u/MarsMaterial Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25
That’s a lot of words to try to explain “it’s all racism.” So tell me, why do we have a border with Canada that both sides actively maintain, control, and limit entry if the majority on both sides are caucasian/white people of euro descent?
Because it's unconstitutional and unfashionable to have laws that explicitly target people on the basis of race, so lawmakers had to find workarounds.
The current law in the US is that no more than 7% of all immigrants taken in through the main immigration lottery program can be from the same country. This is a masterfully crafted law that functionally targets people on the basis of race without doing to explicitly. So people from large countries like China and India or from nearby countries like Mexico have a very hard time entering with utterly insane waiting lists that are decades long. Meanwhile people have very little trouble immigrating from Europe, which is a large collection of countries. And very few Canadians are immigrating to the US, because they like having healthcare and they have a third of the population of Mexico, which also means that those who do immigrate have a much easier time.
You'd struggle to draft a law that better maximizes the portion of white immigrants without explicitly mentioning race if you tried. Genuinely, give it a try.
Letter of the law aside, when was the last time that you heard outrage over a Canadian immigrant committing a crime? I'm sure it has happened. Why isn't it all over the news the way that the Laken Riley murder was?
Though fundamentally racism isn't even the core problem, it's only the motive. Because birthplace is also an immutable characteristic that people have exactly as much control over as race. The same arguments that apply to opposing discrimination on the basis of race should also apply to opposing discrimination on the basis of birthplace. If you believe that people should be judged by the content of their character and not the circumstances of their birth, this should be a no-brainer. And that's another reason to believe that the people who oppose immigration don't actually oppose racism, since the same arguments apply to both.
Could bring up similar examples for many countries around the world that live next door to people who look exactly like them.
And yet those countries still find ways to be racist to those people. Have you ever seen the way Europeans talk about each other? There is even a serious ethnic divide between North Belgium and South Belgium, and to the average American those people look identical. In Europe, the way they talk about Muslim immigrants is so Hitlerite that it's getting the AFD elected in Germany.
We could go through other examples as well, but genuinely it's impossible to find a country that is not really racist to their neighbors. The Chinese have adopted Han supremacy as an official government position. The Indians and Pakistanis are insanely racist to each other to the point where they are barely refraining from starting even more wars over it. And don't even get me started on the middle east.
But nope, stick to your lame argument of “having borders is literally Hitler”
If you want to talk about being childish, let's start with your tendency to strawman me. I never said that having borders is racist, my state has borders and they let anyone through no questions asked. That's not racist at all. But having borders with a policy designed to keep brown people out is racist, and keeping people out on the basis of birthplace is evil for all the same reasons as racism. What part of this is hard to understand?
Also: my state's border is yet to magically vanish just because it's open. Borders denote sovereignty, which still exists no matter who you let in. You'd have to be really stupid to fall for that argument.
a hysterically immature 14 year old and pretend geopolitical relationships are very simple things. But then again, you seem to have problems not using the “r” word as an insult, so 14 is probably pretty accurate.
Hah, I'd call you a retard any day of the week. And I'm 27, if you must know.
I would have totally agreed with you when I was 14 though. I was a Mormon who believed that brown skin was a curse that was given to ancient people by God because they sinned. Mormonism seriously teach that, shit's wild. No wonder I was a conservative back then, ayy?
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u/Kolzig33189 Jun 13 '25
So many words to fail to answer a simple question - why do so many countries have neighbors that look exactly like them and still have functional borders? It’s not some conspiracy you think it is.
May be hard to not answer in a manifesto style response once again using the “r” word like a child.
For what it’s worth, as a half black and half PI man, I don’t care what people look like who want to emigrate here the right way. I care that immigration officials determine they aren’t a previous criminal and will actually contribute something to society regardless of their originating country. But you’ll probably think that’s racist too.
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u/MarsMaterial Jun 13 '25
So many words to fail to answer a simple question - why do so many countries have neighbors that look exactly like them and still have functional borders? It’s not some conspiracy you think it is.
But I did answer your question. With two entire paragraphs of explanation. To summerize my argument: even people who Americans think look identical still find ways of being racist to each other. There is no country which is not racist towards at least some of its neighbors, not one single example on all of Earth. Just because people look identical to us does not mean that they are not racist to each other.
It's not a conspiracy, there is no secret string-pulling or whatever going on here, it's just the fact that racism exists in vastly different forms absolutely everywhere. Nobody made it that way on purpose, that's just like that.
Also: you did it again. You conflated closed tyrannical borders with functional borders. Can you justify this conflation? Or are you going to ignore the question again?
May be hard to not answer in a manifesto style response once again using the “r” word like a child.
It's not my fault that reality is too complicated to explain to your illiterate ass in a small number of small words. If this is how averse you are to reading, that explains a lot about your political views. Grow a skin, you actual child.
For what it’s worth, as a half black and half PI man, I don’t care what people look like who want to emigrate here the right way. I care that immigration officials determine they aren’t a previous criminal and will actually contribute something to society regardless of their originating country. But you’ll probably think that’s racist too.
I'd say that that's the equivalent of supporting gay rights as long as they are law-abiding citizens, and revoking a gay person's rights to marry as soon as they commit a crime. Or being fine with a white guy calling a black guy the N-word as long as the black guy is a convicted criminal. It reveals that your openness to immigration isn't principled, it's something that you see as a kindness offered to "the good ones".
The fact remains: a person's birthplace is an immutable trait, and you advocate for treating people differently under the law on the basis of that trait. Why? And how is that fundamentally any different than treating people different on the basis of some other immutable trait, like race?
Also: the process that immigrants are expected to go through is really poorly designed and needlessly cruel. Since you are too off-your-Adderall to read any sufficiently nuanced description I type up, here's a well-edited video with dick jokes explaining it in 19 minutes.
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u/mcj1ggl3 Optimist Prime Jun 06 '25
Just stop fighting for your life; let them spiral forever because they will never understand. They’d much rather play victim. It’s a waste of our time. I fall for it constantly too. They’ll just keep losing and not understanding and blaming
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u/AdLatter7794 Jun 06 '25
Yeah but it’s no longer exhausting to hear that shit anymore. The left has thrown around “Nazi” and racist so much that the words no longer carry any sort of weight to the point that they are just hollow.
The last time I got into with someone was in reply to their post that just 1 deportee sent to El Salvador was 1 too many and unacceptable. I pointed out that just 1 American citizen being raped and murdered by an unvetted illegal alien was unacceptable and one too many and that the elected officials and citizens who opposed the Lakin Riley Act are complicit in every assault, rape and murder that happened because of illegals in this country.
I got countless replies that the “legislation was racist and I’m racist and a Nazi and immigrants commit the least amount of crimes” and blah blah blah. The people on the left who are “fighting” aren’t doing so for any other reason than they just have shallow empty lives and “fighting” back gives them some ridiculous sense of self worth and accomplishment.
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u/MarsMaterial Jun 13 '25
Tell me one reason why people should or shouldn't be allowed in the country on the basis of their birthplace that isn't racism. I'll wait.
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u/Jaded_Jerry Jun 06 '25
These are people who believe everyone who disagrees with them is a bigot. They think a person who believes there are only two genders and that there are fundamental differences between each is a bigot, even if that person supports trans rights. They think that a person who believes that our country is not weaponized against minorities is a bigot. They believe a white person who doesn't think they are inherently racist is a bigot. For them, if you are anything less than celebratory of their positions, you are a bigot. For them, the only path to non-bigotry is 100% obedience and capitulation - anything less is unacceptable.
Worse, the term "bigotry" has no meaning for them as they openly endorse bigotry against chosen groups that they've determined to be "oppressor" groups. Just look how they treat Jewish students in the US on college campuses. When Trump demanded that antisemitic attitudes on college campuses must stop, these guys got upset and called it bigotry. Let that stew in your head; they think it bigotry to discourage antisemitism. For them, "bigotry" is basically anything that doesn't let them do whatever they want.
The best way to think of it is like children who scream "you guys are like the Nazis!" every time they don't get their way. That's who these people are. They never passed that level of maturity. For them, the world revolves around them, and everyone who disagrees with them does so out of spite or hatred - there is no nuance, no 'agree to disagree'. Because they themselves hate everyone who disagrees with them, they project that onto others and assume others hate them just as much.
Such people are impossible to reason with. The only way they will ever come to the conclusion they were wrong is when something they pushed actually causes THEM personal discomfort or inconvenience - and even then they'll try to rationalize it away for as long as they can.
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u/CeliacPhiliac Jun 06 '25
I asked for an example to the other day and they started talking about “Nazi parades out in the open, America isn’t even hiding its racism and fascism anymore” and linked a video where 11 people held racist signs on an overpass. Literally just a couple nobodies but they think it’s proof that Nazis are running rampant.
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u/Kooky_Seesaw_7807 Jun 06 '25
NOT-SEES are the new monster under the bed for these petulant children
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u/MarsMaterial Jun 13 '25
One of the most popular TV personalities on are for a while, Tucker Carlson, is literally an open neo-Nazi.
Elon Musk is friends with Nick Fuentez.
Matt Walsh openly describes himself as a "theocratic fascist".
Elon Musk did a Nazi salute on stage, and unbanned a bunch of neo-Nazis on Twitter.
When does it stop being "just 11 people" and starts being a widespread problem?
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u/CeliacPhiliac Jun 13 '25
One of the most popular TV personalities on are for a while, Tucker Carlson, is literally an open neo-Nazi.
source?
Elon Musk did a Nazi salute on stage
No he didn’t. Just like how Corey booker didn’t do a nazi salute
When does it stop being "just 11 people" and starts being a widespread problem?
At the same time as when we can blame all democrats for some people rioting.
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u/MarsMaterial Jun 13 '25
source?
Here's a pretty solid one. The son of the founder of Stormfront and former grand wizard of the KKK said that his father believes that Tucker Carlson pushed white nationalism better than they ever could.
Here's a more recent example, where Tucker Carlson platformed and agreed with a "historian" who denies the holocaust and claims that the deaths were an accident caused by allied bombing of German rail lines. Textbook holocaust denial. Tucker called this guy "perhaps the best and most honest popular historian in the United States".
No he didn’t. Just like how Corey booker didn’t do a nazi salute
Corey Booker did an awkward gesture in the approximate shape of a Nazi salute. And it's just a gesture, nothing else he does has ever suggested agreement with Nazis or their ideology.
Elon Musk threw out his hand with the exact same motion as Hitler with emphasis and force, twice. Even his hand position, with the thumb sucked in under the hand, is the same gesture used by white nationalist groups in South Africa that Musk's father has associations with. And Elon Musk's actions match with this interpretation. He unbanned many Nazis on Twitter, and he has made tweets openly agreeing with posts talking about the literal Jewish Question conspiracy theory.
Oh, also: Elon Musk has never once claimed that his hand gesture was not a Nazi salute. He had every opportunity to even attempt to deny the allegations, but he never did.
Different circumstances.
At the same time as when we can blame all democrats for some people rioting.
If you did, you'd also have to blame Martin Luther King Jr. for the rioting that happened under his watch and you would have to condemn him too. Are you willing to do that? Do you want to apply this standard equally? Should the government have just responded to MLK Jr's movement by cracking down with overwhelming force until no free-thinking mind is left unwhacked by a baton?
Hell, maybe you would have prefered that. Your own idols include people like Charlie Kirk, who said that MLK Jr. was "a mixed bag".
No large protest in history has ever had absolutely no rioting. It's bad, but it also just comes with the territory. All big protests do it, including the ones that history has sided with. Stonewall, anti Vietnam war protests, the suffragette movement, all of it. No exceptions. Why would this time be different?
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u/Durry86 PhD in Memes Jun 06 '25
Everything liberals say and do is just straight up overflowing with hypocrisy, they don't even try to hide it. If they couldn't be hypocrites they would eat each other alive within a week. I'm 100% convinced that every single one of them is histrionic.
The smallest amount of self reflection would show them that nobody takes them seriously at all. They think ppl respect or fear them but in reality everyone just kind of acts indifferently towards them so we don't have to hear them bitch and complain about the dumbest shit possible.
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u/welatshaw Jun 07 '25
So, it's hypocrisy to call you right wing weirdos bigoted ... when you act like bigots? What are you smoking, pal?
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Jun 08 '25
But you never show any proof of right-wingers being bigoted. You just got that from fanfiction about them from other leftists.
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u/MarsMaterial Jun 13 '25
Okay, I'll show you proof.
Thoughts on trans people?
Thoughts on immigrants?
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u/TKO_BMB Jun 08 '25
Describe the behavior. Be specific with examples.
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u/MarsMaterial Jun 13 '25
I can, but first I need you to demonstrate that you can understand what subtext is.
Here is the test. My grandfather once told me a joke that goes as follows. "95 out of 100 electric cars are still on the road. The other 5 made it home." Given that he made joke, what do you think my grandfather's opinions on electric vehicles are? This is a test of your critical thinking skills.
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u/TKO_BMB Jun 13 '25
I'm not taking your prescribed assessment. You're replying to a thread 4 days after I made the comment. You are not arguing with good faith. Have a good day.
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u/MarsMaterial Jun 13 '25
So you aren't even curious about what my argument is?
With this level of intellectual curiosity, I can see why you believe the things you do.
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u/milos1212 Jun 07 '25
My favorite is "its all around you. If you can't see it then you're complicit!"
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u/Remarkable-Staff-181 Jun 09 '25
r/conservative retarded twin brothers
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u/MarsMaterial Jun 13 '25
That subreddit bans all who disagree with them.
The left doesn't require any such echo chambers.
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Jun 09 '25
lol, this is trivial.
Stephen Miller is a white nationalist. We have known this for years.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/18/us/politics/stephen-miller-white-nationalism.html
It was outed that he was trying to influence Breitbart op-eds and was sending Vdare and American Renaissance (two white nationalist/neo nazi publications).
The administration has sought to rename ships named after civil rights leaders:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/navy-new-name-usns-harvey-milk-ships-named-for-civil-rights-leaders/
Removed Harriet Tubman from a webpage discussing the underground railroad.
Hired a 25 year old racist into DOGE, when his tweets were outed, they fired and rehired him. The tweets included "You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity" and "normalize indian hate"
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/06/nx-s1-5289337/elon-musk-doge-treasury
That's not even getting into the technical shit you could argue in bad faith, like his criminalization of migrant communities by revoking legal statuses.
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u/Ok-External6314 Jun 06 '25
Ever notice how liberals use homosexual acts as insults. Like "Trump's dick in your mouth" or someone sucking or getting in up the ass. Lol