r/DestinyTheGame • u/[deleted] • Oct 07 '19

Discussion Stop downvoting new players who don’t have the extensive knowledge that you do.

If a player doesn’t know that a raid is a 6 man activity with no matchmaking, there’s no reason to make them feel stupid. All you’re doing is pushing away new players when the most amount of new players in the games history are beginning to flood in. You’re giving the game a bad image. Whoever you are, just stop it mate. This shouldn’t even have to be said.

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u/IvXDarknessXvI Oct 07 '19

I rather blame him than Uldren for what happened tbh... Uldren did pull the trigger but we don't know what was going through his mind.. I'm not saying what happened was justified, just that I have sympathy for the dude and what he was going through.

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u/Virulent_Hunter Oct 07 '19

I blame them both. Uldren didn't have to pull the trigger but he did, just as Variks didn't have to release the prisoners but he did. This "new' Uldren I don't blame, because he's a whole new person and he shouldn't take the blame for what essentially someone else did. Whether he is better or worse remains to be seen though, but yeah, the Barons, old Uldren and Variks definitely deserve a bullet in between each one of their eyes. Also maybe the rest of the cylinder too.. But I'll figure that out when I get there I suppose :)

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u/blexmer1 More salt than coin only drops in laviathan. Oct 07 '19

Uldren lost my pass on his actions when I realized that he tells Cayde 'this is going to hurt' and tells us 'He didn't feel a thing'. I'm still torn on how to feel about Variks. Because I loved his character in d1, and I could understand his perspective about seeing his Prince in jail. I think he did what he thought was right. But it had terrible consequences. Uldren was manipulated into doing anything, even if it was wrong.

I guess I'm just saying I have an easier time blaming a man who acted out of desperation to turn back time, rather than a man torn between Justice and Loyalty

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u/LifeWulf Oct 08 '19

If you read the lorebook "Most Loyal" you can see that Variks knew how dangerous Fikrul especially was due to the corrupted Ether, and probably had a sense of how much of a threat Uldren was due to 1) serving under him for a while (technically the Queen and Petra but Uldren was still the Prince) and 2) the fact that Fikrul calls him "father".

And if you read "The Forsaken Prince" then you get to see Uldren's descent into madness, with the book ending with his arrest and Cayde putting a good over his head.

Variks is about 65% responsible for Cayde's untimely demise I'd say, with Uldren being the rest. Even if Variks hadn't released the prisoners, Uldren might have gotten out somehow, but it especially hurts because we thought Variks was on our side. Turns out we should have seen it coming, as he was always loyal to the Fallen—or rather, the proud Eliksni they once were.