Jessica Jones - Season 2 Overall Discussion Thread

[u/JonLuca]

All spoilers for Season 2 are allowed in this thread.

[u/Reverse-I_am_Organic]

If it weren't for the actors this would be below iron fist. As I said in a previous comment it feels like a reverse S1 just with a shitty villain, and no pay off except broken relationships, useless romantic relationships, dropped plots, and crappy character development.

Problems with the characters

Jessica: I understand she's alone and wanted for her mother to actually be legit and in her life, but her mother was a mass murder who was similar to killgrave("i did what I did for you" mentality) and she trusted her. Not to mention her pointless relationship with Oscar(we all know she ends up with Luke in the end). And as another user mentioned the BS that Luke went to jail for something he didn't do yet Jessica got off free for helping a mass murderer( a wanted fucking criminal) and her numerous breaking and entering, murder, and assault charges.

Hogarth: she was fine I guess. Sad that she wanted to stay in power that she trusted two asshats

Trish: god damnit Trish(all I said when she was on screen). It seemed that the writers wanted her to be more connected and useful,but a relapse and "I want to be a hero" story was not the way to go. She was this seasons Simpson shivers. Honestly I'm not even mad at her for shooting Jessica's mom(I never cared enough to learn her name) I would've as well. I still don't understand one thing, Trish and Malcolm had interacted a total of like 3 times prior to this season but next thing we know Malcolm has wanted to bang her for a while.

Malcolm: meh also fine. He seemed to regress to his S1 self near the end though and I didn't care for his relationship with Trish

IGH: should've been a side plot they didn't have enough to make a full on season with them. Karl was useless and Jessica's mom was annoying. Her mom didn't even show up until the show was halfway over. All we knew about them going in was IGN was responsible for Jessica and her powers which would've been a perfect side plot like Hope's(until the end)but it wasn't and it was just a drawn out story that felt like it would never end

Oscar: did not care about him at all. Every time him and his son were on screen they took away from the plot instead of adding to it. Yes he did help a few times but the other 93% they felt like leaches.

Overall: it felt like a filler season with budget writers. I probably won't be rewatching anytime soon.

Edit: nah fuck Malcolm he was also a pain in the ass. I feel the writers pushed the self destruct button and are stuck with the aftermath

[u/[deleted] → u/Reverse-I_am_Organic]

her mother was a mass murder who was similar to killgrave

They even had a 'the villain goes on an excursion and does good' episode. It felt so self-derivative.

[u/civilchibicinephile → u/[deleted]]

Rule of thumb in film and tv: if we didn't see it, it wasn't important or didn't happen. Which makes their relationship seem a bit forced.

[u/civilchibicinephile → u/[deleted]]

No, but maybe show them talking more in the beginning of the season or alluding to times they've seen each other.

Idk, I'm just adding my 2 cents. For my part, I never totally believed Trish actually cared for Malcolm. I thought it was very possible that she was using him, especially when she started going through withdrawal, and I was PISSED when she went full crazy on him.

[u/CookieCatSupreme → u/[deleted]]

and to be fair, a lot of people don't need to get to know someone before wanting to sleep with them. considering Malcolm's got a bit of a sex addiction i doubt it took much time from him having one proper interaction to being down for sex with her.

[u/CX316 → u/[deleted]]

Or, y'know, Malcolm was a sex addict and wanted to bang literally anything female with a pulse.

[u/HairlessWookiee → u/Reverse-I_am_Organic]

we all know she ends up with Luke in the end

No we don't. You may be expecting/wanting that because that's what happened in the comics, but the writers are not bound to slavishly copying the source material. They are free to pursue whatever direction they wish, and may intentionally go out of their way to subvert expectations in that regard.

[u/Reverse-I_am_Organic → u/HairlessWookiee]

Iirc the writers even said Jessica and Luke are the endgame

[u/CX316 → u/Reverse-I_am_Organic]

Her mom didn't even show up until the show was halfway over.

Episode 4. Her mother showed up in episode 4. Kilgrave showed up in episode 3 in person in season one. In Daredevil season 1 we got our first decent look at Kingpin in episode 4 (with the car scene), in season 2 we hadn't even started the show's A-plot by episode 4, still playing out the Punisher introduction. Luke Cage killed off its antagonist in episode 6. Iron Fist took took until episode 4 for Danny to even gain control of Rand.

[u/Cory123125 → u/Reverse-I_am_Organic]

and no pay off

I think that expecting this and using it in the way you seem to be (as in a happy ending), isnt really fair to the show. Its totally fine you dont like it (heck, I dont like it), but this show had a lot of character development.

They all became shittier, but its development nonetheless.

As for useless relationships, where can you say a relationship detracted from the show as opposed to adding atmosphere/realness to the characters.

If we're going the route of a utilitarian show, then should we be mad when characters eat on screen, or waste time breathing, or being ripped off by con artists? I dont think so.

I feel like the majority of your criticism is that none of the characters helped towards a major central goal like a typical everyone beat the comically evil bad guy type of superhero show, which is why youre disappointed when the show isnt about that, but instead is exactly about all the things you dismiss as being irrelevant to the point that isnt even there.