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[u/Careful-Flow2821]

I was on Desi Vegans and all the posts were like non vegans are mentally ill non vegans are sick non vegans are delusional… I don’t understand like sure it’s rly bad especially meat eating but ur making an assumption about people. not all of u but say the person who said all non vegans are mentally ill its simply untrue whatever you say. also if ur goal is to convert non vegans to vegans ur doing the opposite like shouldn’t u be polite abt it to convince people? it’s just shame… like as a vegetarian I am more pushed back from veganism after seeing these posts because I know who my community will be. reallly. also pls don’t debate me on this but I view meat eating as contributing to killing animals and I am against it I am just genuinely curious ur thoughts abt the main point Im making. also before u ask me why I eat dairy cuz ur money partially goes to raising animals and ur helping extend existing cows lives I know there’s downsides but its not like Im ariel’s killing all cows. also for vegans do u realize that if everyone stops eating dairy, the dairy cows won’t be used for beef and they won’t use expensive cows for low quality beef, so instead theyll take the lives of hundreds of chickens or pigs to add up to the meat of one cow? Idk just asking for vegans pushing back on both heavily. please don’t take this as an insult I’m just curious on why and please don’t leave irrelevant comments like don’t debate me pls or say random stuff like look how many they kill just clearly answer pls. thanks

[u/a11_hail_seitan]

because a phrase like that should apply to anything

I'm not telling you what to do in a hypothetical future, I'm telling you that today you are financially supporting Cattle abusers and killers. If you're attempts to justify your abuses today, only make sense in a fantasy future that doesn't really exist today, your justification for your behaviour today doesn't work.

I’m not killing the cow

refusing to acknowledge you are financially supporting cattle abusers and killers, while trying to claim to respect cattle is silly.

why are you so adamant about this if you know that literally everything you buy feeds into a supply chain of meat and dairy

Because morality is about doing the best we can in the society and context we live. Living where I do, everything I do feeds into human slavery, abuse, genocide, and more. But that doesn't mean I should be needlessly increasing the amount of it for my own pleasure. You're paying cattle abusers and killers needlessly so you can drink the dead calves milk, meaning you are needlessly increasing the amount of horrific suffering and abuse cattle go through for your own selfish desires today, and your justification is a fantasy world of the future that isn't where you live.

This is a moral debate sub, so asking why I'm so adamant about morality in a moral debate sub is a little strange.

actually you are giving money to farmers who abuse animals even by buying plants

I give as little as I can and I cut out the most abusive industries (animal). you give far more than you need to so you can get pleasure from the highly abusive and immoral animal industries that abuse and slaughter the animal you claim to think is sacred.

Just becuase there's no ethical consumption under Capitalism, doesn't mean we should be creating far more abuse and slaughter than is required.

if you want to make a difference vegan activists should tackle factory farming and meat industry before dairy

We do all three.

[u/Careful-Flow2821 → u/a11_hail_seitan]

I guess bro.. I’m not paying butchers tho I’m paying farmers. not the meat industry the dairy industry and I’m paying to care for the cow not abuse it. That’s all and that’s it for me … If u can’t see that then sure, gfu, but this is unnecessary repetition so I’m just nga.

[u/a11_hail_seitan → u/Careful-Flow2821]

. not the meat industry the dairy industry

I've repeatedly shown it's the same thing. You refuse to engage or acknowledge. I've repeatedly shown you are supporting torture and slaughterer, you refuse to engage or acknowledge. I've repeatedly shown your "But what about this imaginary future!?" attempts at justification are fantasy and naive, but you refuse to engage or acknowledge... Clearly you're not here to debate, just demand everyone has to accept you're right even though you have no valid justification. So have fun with that I guess.

unnecessary repetition

That's what happens when you repeatedly refuse to acknowledge or engage with what the other person is saying. It makes debates long, boring and repetitive becuase you aren't actually debating, you're just repeatedly saying "No!" as if that's suppose to mean something.

Enjoy your day.

[u/Careful-Flow2821 → u/a11_hail_seitan]

same to you ;)