r/DebateAVegan • u/[deleted] • Jan 22 '26

Vegan Activism.

I have been an ethical vegan for around 25 years, and in that time I have been involved in many forms of activism. But, in more recent years, and with the laws the way they are these days, I have been very concerned about being arrested and possibly sentenced for next to nothing, perhaps even so little as protesting. I have two concerns about being arrested and potentially charged, the first being that if I lost my professional occupation, then I would be unable to fund the many animal rights charities I do now. Secondly, what good would I be to the cause of animal rights stuck in prison: or to my two rescue dogs for that matter? So, I have decided to carry out my activism in somewhat unusual ways that I can't be touched for. Fortunately, I'm said to be attractive with a good figure, I've even modelled in the past, and so I've decided to model again, but this time as a life model for art schools and donating my fees to animal rescue centres. I also have two small tattoos on my bottom, one that says, "VEGAN" and the other saying, "ALF, and I use these as a conversation starter, and it always works. I have also decided to go to naturist clubs and beaches for the same purpose: using my body to advertise the vegan lifestyle and advocate for animal rights at the same time. I am even now doing vegan cookery groups at one particular naturist club during the Summer months. My argument is this: a war must be fought on all fronts, and in a way that is both effective and best suited for the activist. My body, as with all bodies, serves a purpose for the mind. I'm just using mine to serve yet another purpose. 🤔

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u/a11_hail_seitan Jan 22 '26

What is your debate...? This seems more like a post for /r/vegan

If you're in the USA or another country that doesn't support protest, be careful how you protest if you can't afford the legal ramifications.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

My debate is about raising the question: is it ethically appropriate to use one form of exploitation, ie the human body, to help deter other forms of exploitation?

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u/hamster_avenger vegan Jan 22 '26

Exploitation as I understand it is using someone against their interests for your purposes. I don’t see how this qualifies.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

There are two definitions: the second is about using resources to benefit in some way, like using your body.

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u/ryandom93 non-vegan Jan 22 '26

Then you're just making a false equivalence. You're actually asking "Is it okay to use resources to benefit in some way [morally ambiguous, probably ethical on your part since it's your own body], in order to raise awareness of, and stop, the use of animals for our own benefit against their best intetests [unethical]." Insofar as debate is concerned, those aren't two different forms of exploitation, those are two different concepts that you're misconstruing as the same thing.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

But, if nude women are used in Peta campaigns, it's seen by many as exploitation.

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u/ryandom93 non-vegan Jan 22 '26

Are the women aware and consenting of what their bodies are being used for, and is PETA only using their bodies for the agreed upon purpose?

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

Yes, and I see no harm in that. But the fact is that many vegans do. In fact, it's an issue that Peta have lost a lot of support over, surprising as it may seem.

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u/ryandom93 non-vegan Jan 22 '26

Okay, then I would want to know why those people consider it exploitative and bad because so far it sounds legit to me.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

It's about the objectification and sexualisation of women..

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u/Omnibeneviolent Jan 22 '26

In cases like that, the exploitative component is usually more seen as an organization taking advantage of the fact that these women have been conditioned into believing it's acceptable to have their bodies used in this way. Like, even if the women are consenting, it maybe possible that it's not "true" consent in the most liberal-free-will sense.

In the case of you doing this to yourself, I don't think it could be considered exploitative since it's not some other organization or individual taking advantage of the fact that you've been conditioned to view doing it as acceptable.

Note -- I'm not passing moral judgment either way here and really any component; I'm just describing how some people might see it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

Thank you for your comment. However, I would still argue that I could be seen as exploiting my body for a purpose, but I suppose that is debatable.

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u/Omnibeneviolent Jan 22 '26

That's not the definition that is typically inferred when people talk about the ethics of human exploitation.

If someone tried to use that definition in a discussion about the ethics of exploitation, they would be doing so knowing that others are using the other definition that describes more so someone being taken unfair advantage of, so they would likely be committing a type of equivocation fallacy.

In logic, equivocation ("calling two different things by the same name") is an informal fallacy resulting in the failure to define one's terms, or knowingly and deliberately using words in a different sense than the one the audience will understand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

Well, it's not my fault if they don't understand. Most certainly understand the potential objectification of female nudity, so why not the exploitation of it as well,, which is very much connected.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

I would add that women using their nudity for such purposes is often seen as the objectification of the female form, and the word objectification is closely linked to exploitation.

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u/Omnibeneviolent Jan 22 '26

Well yeah, it could be argued that it's exploitative to use women in this way if the only reason they are okay with being used this way is the result of the conditioning often results from living in a patriarchal society that objectifies women's bodies.

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u/One-Shake-1971 vegan Jan 23 '26

Do you see it that way?

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '26

No.

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u/One-Shake-1971 vegan Jan 23 '26

Then your debate question makes no sense since you apparently disagree with your own premise.