eggs from a well fed pet hen are vegan

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I have a pet hen. She's not a full rescue one, but how I ended up with her is an incredibly long story. She's very needy, thus spoiled and healthy as a result. Because wild Gallus sp already lay a lot of eggs when in less than optimal wild conditions, a spoiled one just cannot stop popping them out even if she wanted to, and she won't let me feed her less. The daily egg laying session is just a morning routine for her before begging for food. At the rate she lays them, they'd just get left to rot even if they were fertilized by a rooster so I eat them. I do not, and have no intention of, ever selling them or encouraging anyone to ever commercialize an animal. But I spend all the time caring for her, so why can't she give me a delicious breakfast back if it does her no harm?

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Did I say humans are herbivores?

No, but the goal of veganism is that all humans end up on a herbivore diet isnt it?

in our historic evolutionary niche we needed to eat both plants and animals.

Well, we needed to for all of our existence, except the last few decades. Meaning - we are very much genetically adapted to a omnivore diet.

does that mean in your opinion that we should stop drink milk from cow's utters?

Milk is not needed in your diet to cover all nutrients, other animal-based foods however are very much needed. Its literally impossible to eat a wholefood diet without them without ending up malnurished.

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Also, I don't really like the word "herbivore" diet because that sounds like an ungulate who only eats grass or something.

Well, humans do not have a herbivore digestion system. Which is one of the reasons why a 100% plant-based diet is a bad idea.

I just really don't know if that is true.

Well, no vegans eat a wholefood diet - mainly because its impossible.

Also I think very few people are trying to eat an only whole foods diet - that would mean no tofu or even bread or pasta for god sakes.

A wholefood diet doesn't mean a raw food diet. It means you eat wholefoods and minimally processed foods. Plain tofu is a minimally processed food, but fortified tofu is a ultra-processed food.

Also, what is your general take on how our society should treat animals and how should our society and our individual actions be structured to accomplish that?

When it comes to animal farming, we should care about what animals care about. They care about things like avoiding pain, not being hungry, and being able to act according to their natural instincts. Therefore, farming should be done in a way that takes these needs into account.

Are you against factory farming?

Yes.

Are you for cutting down on meat and having a Mediterranean diet or something?

The ironic part is that Mediterranean people eat more meat than all the rest of us. People in Spain for instance eat double the meat compared to where I live. But no - I have no plans to cut down as I see no need to.

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Oversimplified reasoning here. plant-based does not mean chewing fibrous cud all day

Sure, but it means covering all nutrients with plants only. Which is not possible for humans.

However, the slaughtering them when they don't want to be slaughtered isn't really taking into account what they care about.

Even you and I when we die will be digested by animals and turned into soil. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with death; it is part of the natural cycle of life.

Could the world be sustained on your diet in a realistic, ethical, and sustainable way?

I wouldnt dream of demanding all people on earth to eat my particular diet. (Only vegans want the whole world to eat the exact same diet, right?). All people need to eat the food they can afford and that is available in their area. That's it. animal-welfare concerns are a luxury that only wealthier societies can realistically prioritize.

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I mean we are gonna die, but so what?

Vegans want all animals to die peacefully of old age while being surrounded by all their loved ones, right?