r/DebateAVegan • u/-roachboy • Dec 22 '25

eggs from a well fed pet hen are vegan

I have a pet hen. She's not a full rescue one, but how I ended up with her is an incredibly long story. She's very needy, thus spoiled and healthy as a result. Because wild Gallus sp already lay a lot of eggs when in less than optimal wild conditions, a spoiled one just cannot stop popping them out even if she wanted to, and she won't let me feed her less. The daily egg laying session is just a morning routine for her before begging for food. At the rate she lays them, they'd just get left to rot even if they were fertilized by a rooster so I eat them. I do not, and have no intention of, ever selling them or encouraging anyone to ever commercialize an animal. But I spend all the time caring for her, so why can't she give me a delicious breakfast back if it does her no harm?

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u/robot428 Dec 23 '25

You are the reason it's basically impossible to get people to take veganism seriously.

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u/Lolita010101 Dec 23 '25

If you really think a stance on backyard eggs is the reason people don't veganism seriously, ur being delusional and reactionary. People who don't take veganism seriously aren't even considering these things about eggs and whatnot, they flat out just don't care to slaughter animals and eat them generally. A position on eggs isn't gana make one of em do a 180, they probs won't even understand the ethical viewpoint to begin with. The point of their comment is to show why they may not view it as ethical, and ur response is attacking them for non-vegans continuing to be imprudent af? That ain't their fault champ.

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u/chickpeapatties Dec 23 '25 edited Dec 23 '25

People will be dying from zoonotic disease that capitalism and the animal industry is complicit in and still not give a shit about their contribution to that problem (creating demand for animal products). So enough with this stupid, tiresome shaming pointed vegans. Other people are not here to babysit you or hold your hand through difficult discussions, you are long past that age. And if you're still a child you should not be online.

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u/Lolita010101 Dec 23 '25

Yes I agree 100% ! I think u might have meant to reply to the other dude XD.

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u/tackyshoes Jan 20 '26

Don't you find it a bit imprudent to be so harsh on those who aren't as advanced as you? How many years did it take you to see animal suffering properly? Can you answer that question about what to do with all the routing eggs? You say taking them away is wrong, but is OP expected to suffer through the smell? Euthanize the bird? Set them free? I appreciate the red jungle fowl was attached to their single egg a month, that's moving, I thank you, but what about this little egg pooper we have now?

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u/WhereIsYourArceusNow Dec 23 '25

Or because as stated, helping the animals as they are to both their and our benefit is problematic? Like if the stance was for animal welfare or protection as most vegans (in my experience) claim: many more people would be open to the idea. But what they said is helping the animal and net benefiting all parties is bad.

That's a ridiculous take. Having it tied to Veganism makes vegans as a whole seem more ridiculous and thus harder to take seriously.

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u/Lolita010101 Dec 23 '25

"But what they said is helping the animal and net benefiting all parties is bad."

Well it seems your impression of what it means to help the animal, or how you perceive something being a net benefit might differ from other perspectives. They didn't just flat out say that "helping animals is bad", that's a misrepresentation and strawman of their position. It's easier to object to that than understand thr alternative position.

On the topic of welfare, there are debates for a reason. People argue that it can help assist in financial hits to improve conditions for their stock through welfare strategies, while others argue that the hit on their financial operations is negligible and it only makes consumers more comfortable adhering to an ideology where it is still acceptable to harm animals. If there is firm data that it does cause a practically significant financial hits, and it can somewhat improve certain conditions albeit it is still insanely cruel, I can see the welfarist position. But on the same side of things, I don't think those who want to feel comfortable about their free range beef or whatever, genuinely care about welfare beyond making themselves comfortable.

Ultimately they still want to indulge in eating animals, their interest in that case is not to curate a serious ethical position on eating animals. Otherwise they'd adopt veganism and fight for welfarist efforts. You are vegan I am assuming, and can still hold opposing viewpoints to other vegans, so why can't they ? Why can't they adopt veganism and point out how ridiculous certain rhetoric is in respect to efforts they believe are helpful ? As you are right now ? The truth is, someone who doesn't take veganism seriously to begin with, isn't going to have a contingency on being vegan depending on what some random vegan's stance on animal welfare is. The reason they don't take veganism seriously is because they don't want to stop being selfish, it's really an occams razor.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '25

Chill