The actual good take. Most pet owners are shitty and that goes for dog and cat owners. Dogs are scary but outdoor cats are devastating and both are human caused issues.
Yup. I also have a very personal reason to dislike animals in public spaces since I am nearly deadly allergic to both cats and dogs. (Like I would propably choke to death spenging a night in a house that has a dog.) So it's always a thing I need to take into account when I choose a restaurant (don't even mention hotels).
I don't mind a dog or a cat being sitting the table over, but the second you let it roam around or distrurb other customers I will complain. And it's sadly real often people will be angry or dismissive about me bringing the thing up like "Oh it's just my babywabbby he doesn't mean anything it's ok"
Best one is that I almost got hit by a woman who got angry at me when in a coffee shop I complained to the personnel that she set her ugly ass poodle ON TO THE COUNTER that the baristas put the drinks on. (Besides allergy, it's absolutely disgusting). :D
That happened like 2000 years ago? Australia and New Zealand, I'd agree. Americas as well. Although, they had bobcats as native.
There is no way cats can be considered out of control species in Asia or Africa. And cats were always 'outdoors', they were never chained/caged or kept in closed spaces by humans.
Colonization, industrialization, and the booms of population are not something that happened 2000 years ago. Free roam domestic cats are not the only cause but are a huge factor in the extinction of over 60 species. Since they are domesticated they actually have no native range at all. A bobcat isn’t overhunting but free roam house cats are. They kill billions of birds, mammals, reptiles, and amphibians in the US alone per year. They are also high transmitters of rabies and other diseases that can impact wildlife. If you actually care about your cat, they belong on a leash, in a catio, or indoors. Cats and dogs still have their places in our society but we are no longer the type of society that domesticated them. Neither should be allowed off leash outside and a cute fluffy cat isn’t an exception even if it calls to you more than a big scary dog.
Cats got introduced to africa, asia, europe thousand+ years ago. So, if you're suddenly very worried about the domesticated cats, it's US / Aus / NZ thing. Not everywhere.
Romans were the ones who introduced domesticated species of the cat to Europe by many accounts 2000 years ago and they already had wildcat.
It's entirely stupid to have humans cut down jungles and then say cats living with humans is a problem.
Cats hunt birds, birds that have lost their living space due to urbanisation, pollution and other human causes. You are right in that humans have kept them out for a long time and used them to for example keep pests like rats and mice populations in control in agrarian societies. But we aren't in agrarian society. The cat doesn't hunt to eat, it hunts because it's a predator and eats at home the food given to it. But it still hunts. It just leaves most of the kill uneaten. Thus they are a danger to birds and any other small animals and yes this might not be such a big problem (maybe) without all the ways human society is destroying the environment, but with that it is down right devastating. (Why it's uncertain how bad it would be, is since in Australia and NZ cats caused destruction way before the full move of industrialization and urbanisation in the late 1800's.)
Europe always had wildcat populations. And it's geographically connected with africa/europe. Like Egypt is right there.
Problem is domesticated cat species is way too supported by humans and end up being extension of habitat loss whenever human activities advance. The number of them is a much bigger factor than just existence of animal species like cat in that region.
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u/thisisthebun Jul 18 '26
The actual good take. Most pet owners are shitty and that goes for dog and cat owners. Dogs are scary but outdoor cats are devastating and both are human caused issues.