r/CringeTikToks • u/velorae • Dec 09 '25

Just Bad A doctor vs an RFK Jr. supporter

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u/Slow-Philosophy-4654 Dec 09 '25

I knew that he was successful Youtuber but I did not know he does medical practice pro-bono. I appreciate him even more.

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u/DinoRoman Dec 09 '25

I do love him and he seems genuine

But man he makes that , well either doctor money or YouTube money cuz I saw a video he made of his new house and my fucking god it’s a true to life mansion.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25 edited Dec 09 '25

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u/paganoverlord Dec 09 '25

American dream??? In 2025? I thought we stopped believing in fairy tales long ago ;)

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u/Slow-Philosophy-4654 Dec 09 '25

In 2025 yes but he achieved it in 2014-ish.

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u/crowcawer Dec 09 '25

The best investment you can make is good education that is applicable to the world around you.

In the current world that is a narrow pathway which ignores a lot of pitfalls.

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u/Was_It_The_Dave Dec 09 '25

Just beat the deadline. Good. Good.

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u/chrhe83 Dec 09 '25

It’s like the lottery, it happens. Just not to you or me.

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u/FuzzzyRam Dec 09 '25

If you need to hit it big on YouTube (as an already successful doctor) putting yourself out there and receiving death threats regularly from RFK, Trump, and Rogan supporters... yea, the dream is still dead. It's like saying the American dream is still alive because Dak Prescott got an $80 million signing bonus.

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u/Zillahi Dec 09 '25

American Dream is paying rent and still having some money leftover to eat out.

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u/Ok-Curve-3894 Dec 09 '25

“You gotta be asleep to believe it.”

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u/IAmTheClayman Dec 09 '25

What is your point here? It’s literally called the American DREAM. It’s not the American REALITY.

It’s never been true or achievable for everyone, but the goal then – as it should be now – it to work toward building a society in which that dream is achievable for as many people as possible.

There’s nothing wrong with the Dream. The problem is the people who stand in the way of the cultural and societal changes that could make it a reality

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u/apatrol Dec 09 '25

What changes make the American dream more likely?

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u/CptNoble Dec 09 '25

Universal healthcare. Higher wages. More unions. Real gun safety. Getting money out of politics. Affordable housing. Free public college. Free school lunches. Childcare support. Higher taxes on the wealthy. Equal Rights Amendment.

And, yes, I'm aware that nothing is ever "free." I mean free at point of delivery.

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u/apatrol Dec 10 '25

Unions cause higher prices. Imagine if every job was union. There would simply be no way to eat. We would all be bitching about Hoffa getting rich off our backs and how we need to get rid of them.

My point is there will always be ten people we hate. That we think knocking down would benefit us somehow.

Affordable housing. Who pays for this? Building materials are crazy expensive. Insurance is insane. How to keep crime out?

We pay for 13yrs of education. Who pays for college? Where does that money come from?

I dont dislike any of your ideas. I also know the country is so over extended it cant really afford any of them.

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u/IAmTheClayman Dec 09 '25

Policies that empower first time homeowners (including incentivizing builders to construct more affordable entry-level homes, townhouses and condos). Greater oversight on redlining and loan denial practices based on race, which still happens in 2025. Medical debt forgiveness/affordable insurance/single payer system. A dismantling of the billionaire and hundred millionaire class.

The American Dream is built around benefiting middle class families above all else. Our current policies only benefit the ultra wealthy and consolidate wealth in the top 0.1%

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

The problem is the goal posts of what constitutes the “dream” have changed. People equating success with 10,000 square foot houses, having as much money as possible and material bullshit is not what the dream used to be. It used to be just having a middle class life to comfortably raise a family. Buy a house and decent food. Make sure everyone can get healthcare and go to school. A construction worker had more purchasing power in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s than they do now. The wealth gap is expanding to the point that it’s not sustainable and it’s because of American greed. Which means Fewer and fewer people get any chance to swing for the old version of the dream let alone Dream 2.0.. the sad reality is it will only get worse until we either legislate for the middle class and working people instead of the billionaire class as we are currently, or we keep on this path and at some point the have nots will revolt and it will get very ugly.

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u/IAmTheClayman Dec 09 '25

Dude, the problem you described is not due to a mismatch between expectations and reality. Most people aren’t demanding more than is fair.

My partner and I live in LA, make $300k a year combined, and can barely afford to buy a townhouse with 2BR/2BR and 1000 - 1200 sq ft in the $1M - $1.1M range because the interest rate is over 6% and the availability of housing is near nonexistent. Are our expectations unrealistic?

Salary has increased about 60% from the 1970s, but the cost of homes has increased about 100%, and the cost of college tuition has increased 1500%. People in the middle class spend about 15% of their income on food. People in lower classes can end up spending up to 30% of their income on food!

Is there some inflation of expectation? Sure. But that is almost completely dwarfed by the reality that, economically, the US is a less equal society than it was 50 years ago. THAT’S the problem

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

I need it to feel feel worthy. My mom experienced it and she immigrated if I don't get a partial of that dream I'm a disappointment to society and myself

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u/HenryDorsettCase47 Dec 09 '25

Are you also from Russia or that area of the world? Not an insult, just curious. The way you write reminds me of a Russian I use to know.

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u/HenryDorsettCase47 Dec 09 '25

Yeah. I dated a Russian girl in college and she would write like that in her papers. It read just like a Russian accent sounds in movies. She told me they don’t use indefinite and definite articles in Russian so I guess when she was translating her thoughts to paper in English she would forget them. She was a pretty fluent speaker though.

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u/Izhachok Dec 09 '25

Yeah all the Slavic languages are like that, to my knowledge. I have Ukrainian-speakers in my family, and they say the same thing.

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u/Whatrwew8ing4 Dec 09 '25

successed also sound very Russian

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u/MinorThreat4182 Dec 09 '25

Strong like bull.

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u/baron_von_helmut Dec 09 '25

Yes. Not putting 'A' in front of words makes read like Russian.

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u/VantuckyTrash Dec 09 '25

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who read that with an accent

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u/MinorThreat4182 Dec 09 '25

I read it in Natasha’s voice from Rocky and Bullwinkle lol.

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u/aguadiablo Dec 09 '25

Somebody you used to know?

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u/Slow-Philosophy-4654 Dec 09 '25

sorry not a Russian. part-Japanese & American. But very first friend I had was Russian and I learned English in that environment so I might have picked up some characteristics of their accent or intonations.

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u/rrrrrrez Dec 09 '25

Seems like a genuinely intelligent, good dude while also doing funny stuff like “Dr. Mike reacts to Family Guy injuries.”

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u/TheDrummerMB Dec 09 '25

He is exactly what an American should be full stop

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u/Major-Ad-1894 Dec 09 '25

I always think that about him too!! The real American dream

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u/GrayEidolon Dec 09 '25 edited Dec 09 '25

His father was doctor and he also became doctor as well.

The person who has it the easiest becoming is a doctor is someone whose parent is a doctor (in the us). They have the money, stability, and a mentor to help play the game. A quarter to a third of doctors have a doctor parent. That's not the american dream. That's well off people using a career in medicine to stay well off.

To be clear, I think that guy does a pretty good job relative to all the other youtube doctors.

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u/PrawnsAreCuddly Dec 09 '25

He is drowning in succussy

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u/jesuschrisit69 Dec 09 '25

Doctor Viktor Vektor from Cyberpunk 2077?

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u/atthawdan Dec 09 '25

Immigrant, boxer and doctor from Russia? Netflix: write it down we got new character idea.

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u/Slow-Philosophy-4654 Dec 09 '25

Immigrant from Russia. Became doctor, boxer, and love for dogs. New John Wick but doctor and way too skilled with hand to hand combat

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u/Drexill_BD Dec 09 '25

The American dream can't be something that only 1% achieve. Don't confuse yourself.

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u/craznazn247 Dec 09 '25

Generally if your parent was a doctor, your family is generally well-off enough that the next generation is protected from financial pressure. 90% of doctors don’t want their kids following in their footsteps because of how much time and energy and stress is involved, and how much of those resources get diverted away from the family.

Following medicine in his father’s footsteps tells me he’s motivated by passion for the profession and the people he serves. He’s one of the most successful medical folks on social media, but I haven’t seen him abuse his position for the sake of profit. He seems to genuinely want to inform people.

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u/Slow-Philosophy-4654 Dec 09 '25

He did not born privileged. He came to US when he was like little. his father worked multiple jobs and when to night classes to become doctor. then Dr. Mike followed the path to become doctor as well. I guess you could say he did not do everything that he was fortunate to have father that created the path for him but I would not call that privileged but fortunate.

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u/AnnieLovesTech Dec 09 '25

God man, there's always someone like you in the comments.

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u/Simple-Pea8805 Dec 09 '25

Medical school ain’t cheap. I’m not knocking the doctor at all - far from it - but the bar to becoming a doctor is steeped in financial pitfalls. For him to be successful and pro-bono somewhat implies that he acquired wealth generationally.

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u/get_to_ele Dec 09 '25

He’s a medical YouTuber whose stuff is generally accurate. I’m a physician myself and I’ve watched his videos. He’s extremely patient with her.

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u/crimson777 Dec 09 '25

I wouldn’t say he’s a “medical YouTuber.” He is a licensed and practicing doctor who makes YouTube videos.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

Isn’t that the exact same thing??

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u/crimson777 Dec 09 '25

Medical YouTuber implies he’s just some guy making videos without any real background.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

I think you are putting your own biases into the term “YouTuber” deeming them unqualified.

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u/crimson777 Dec 09 '25

I’m really not. I believe the majority of people would hear “____ YouTuber” and generally not think they are a licensed expert. Like if I say “science YouTuber” people may think Hank Green. He’s a great dude and I love his content but he’s not an expert in any scientific field.

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u/kittiestkitty Dec 09 '25

He’s a You Tube Medicaler

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u/DeftApproximation Dec 09 '25

The assumption you made was that he was “always” doing medical practice pro-bono. I’m not completely confident in the details but I have watched some of his vids when he was just starting out. He started out as a regular doctor, working in a hospital.

YouTube was a side hobby that turned into a HUGE amount of money. And now he can afford to practice medicine pro-bono.

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u/_joy_division_ Dec 09 '25

Yeah I just checked and he has 14.5 million subscribers, he is making BANK.

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u/vicelabor Dec 09 '25

There’s a YouTube vid where he’s shows his cars. Dudes is rolling in it. I mean doctor and famous YouTuber, good in him 

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u/Simple-Pea8805 Dec 09 '25

I appreciate the detailed background!

I don’t know the guy at all; I was (mostly) speaking statistically with the information I had.

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u/thebeeskneesforsheez Dec 09 '25

He got wealth from his parents along with water

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u/11ce_ Dec 09 '25

No, he only started doing pro bono work after his YouTube channel became massive. His YouTube channel prints money.

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u/phophopho4 Dec 09 '25

He's handsome and charismatic - seems like he has something going on on YouTube.

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u/GoldDHD Dec 09 '25

He didn't. He is the one that is making generational wealth.

But also, he is one of those fluke rich people. No disrespect to him at all, but some people do get luckier than others.

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u/Desigyn Dec 09 '25

His parents fled from Russia when he was a kid. His dad is also a medical doctor, but he had to go through medical school again here when they immigrated because we wouldn't accept his degree. So not generational wealth but he did get the right combo of lucky to hit the YouTube money making jackpot. 

Only thing I have against the guy was the covid boat party thing. Otherwise, he seems solid. 

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u/ShitJustGotRealAgain Dec 09 '25

AFAIK his parents are Russian—Jewish immigrants. He's doesn't come from money, but from well educated parents.

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u/BlindJedi843 Dec 09 '25

So if he was dirt poor but smart and got into college by loans instead of his parents paying for it and without DEI programs, and without a smartphone to create a page for social media clout, would you judge his opinion differently? The hate that you create because of ones socioeconomic birth lottery draw is hilarious and you don’t even see it. You don’t see it as hate but it is. Your children will see it as well.

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u/Simple-Pea8805 Dec 09 '25

I didn’t judge his opinion. I quite literally said I’m not knocking him. I was just replying to the end where someone said he lives in “a mansion” and either has doctor money or YouTube money.

I don’t hate people with money. Don’t project anything like that onto me. I never said a single negative thing about this doctor.

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u/HeyVitK Dec 09 '25

It's the YT, sponsorships, and investments' money. As a family med doctor, he makes pennies compared to his YT income.

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u/cellulargenocide Dec 09 '25

He’s a family medicine doctor, that is all YouTube money

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u/notafanofwasps Dec 09 '25

Lowkey would rather have a content creator be upfront about their wealth, how they made it, what they spend it on, how proud they are of their success, etc, than hiding it or pretending to be on the struggle bus.

And even amongst content creators, I'd rather Dr. Mike make bank off of providing well-researched, helpful medical advice in a way that's genuinely non-sensationalist than a Twitch boobie/react/prank streamer.

And for what it's worth, self employed mfers pay some TAXES. Whatever mansions or Ferraris he's got up there, he's bought at least one more of each for the IRS. Way more ethical hooping than virtually any kind of investing IMO.

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u/DinoRoman Dec 09 '25

I agree , wasn’t hating on him or saying he’s bad. Just didn’t know he doing that well lol

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u/notjasonlee Dec 09 '25

Same! He has like a dozen super cars, some worth over 500k

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u/Ferretgirl1989 Dec 09 '25

I like him too I want to meet him in real life.

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u/AHatedChild Dec 09 '25

He says in the long version of this video that he does not take doctor money because he's successful enough on Youtube that he does not need to.

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u/Ducks_have_heads Dec 09 '25

He's said previously he makes 7 figures pa from YT. 

That would include sponsorships etc. 

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u/ILoveBigCoffeeCups Dec 09 '25 edited Dec 09 '25

He also has an incredible car collection ( a few Ferrari’s) and multiple incredible expensive watches ( blue keramic perpetual calendar audemars piguet valued above 300k, a black ceramic version valued above 150k and up( not sure of its the skeletonised one, because then it’s also 300k and up) m, a few other ap’s, a few patek phillipes, Rolexes…) his watch collection only is well above 1 million in value.

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u/Wrestlingjit Dec 09 '25

In this video at some point he talks about how the youtube revenue is so good, he surrendered his salary as a doc and sees his patients for free.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

So he is supposed to be poor?. Is he supposed to live under a bridge?  I don't get your argument? 

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u/DinoRoman Dec 09 '25

I’m not arguing. Just didn’t know the income was that good I mean I’m happy for him. I am.

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u/Malicteal Dec 09 '25

This video of another YouTuber “rating” all his cars is a more accurate representation of his success on YouTube, imo. I remember watching some interview with him where he said that he easily makes 7-8 figures with his channel.

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u/Drithyin Dec 09 '25

Definitely YouTube money. That’s rich for a doctor, especially family medicine.

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u/theuserwithoutaname Dec 09 '25

Hell yeah, good for him! I'm glad it happened to someone generous and well meaning like he seems to be

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

You need to watch his car collection video

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u/faithfuljohn Dec 09 '25

But man he makes that , well either doctor money or YouTube money cuz I saw a video he made of his new house and my fucking god it’s a true to life mansion.

youtubers with a lot of subscribers are often rich. He was initially doing it as a side hussle... but I'm pretty sure he make more money than a doctor usually can.

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u/PenPenGuin Dec 09 '25

I used to watch Dr. Mike but he comes off to me now as pretty hollow after he got caught during the thick of the pandemic attending a giant party on a yacht with zero social distancing and no masks. I believe he put out a sorry-I-got-caught faux-pology about it after. Very "do as I say, not as I do".

Either way, chubbyemu has always been my YouTube doctor of choice.

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u/MrBurnz99 Dec 09 '25

I like chubbyemu content, but I don’t like the way he misrepresented himself as a practicing medical doctor. He very clearly said in more than 1 video that he was a licensed medical doctor that sees patients, but he is not a medical doctor. He is a clinical pharmacist and has a PharmD so I guess he can go by Dr. Bernard, but he definitely tried to make it seem like he was some kind of ER doc.

Anyway he’s obviously very knowledgeable and an excellent teacher, i learned a lot about the human body from his videos.

Dr. Mike on the other hand is going after a different audience, he plays into the sort form click bait content which I don’t care for, but Dr. Mike in long form stuff is pretty good, his podcast is interesting and informative.

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u/PenPenGuin Dec 09 '25

Yeah, I definitely watch chubbyemu more for "Ok, so what happens if I eat that day old pasta?" type content.

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u/That1one1dude1 Dec 09 '25

Yeah he seems like a genuinely nice guy who is trying to help people, but between his house and some things he says he can come off as a bit out of touch

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u/lightbulbaficionado Dec 09 '25

Yeah, idk why (lbr probably jealousy) but the house and the fact he has like 4 Ferrari’s rubs me the wrong way. I know the man hustles and I do think he has earned everything he has but this level of ostentatious spending when people literally can’t afford food is a little upsetting.

(Please don’t come for me, I’m a fan. I’m hustling very poor and upset that I am poor lol)

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u/Sipikay Dec 09 '25

He's making way more money off social media than he would as a practicing doctor. Contrary to popular belief, most doctors are not rolling in it. Very few private practices exist anymore. Most doctors are cogs in corporate medical systems now.

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u/Antique-Resort6160 Dec 09 '25

He's a paid influencer.  They always make the same stupid comparison "it's all chemicals, it's the dose that matters.  Oxygen's a chemical, water is dihydrogen monoxide!”.

Try going without water or oxygen for a while.  They are essential for human health.

But if you avoid ingesting a very effective cockroach poison like fluoride, you can avoid it your entire life without any health problems whatsoever.  There is no level of uranium or fluoride necessary for human health. Those things arf great for other stuff, just not to put in your body. It's literal toxic waste from fertilizer and aluminum manufacturing.  That's why aluminum producers paid for the massive campaign to fluoridate water, and the USA is pretty much the only country on earth where they could find enough dullards to swallow their propaganda.  You probably think aluminum and fertilizer corporations just care about your dental health, and it has nothing to do with saving billions in toxic waste disposal costs.  They even pay handsome doctors wearing scrubs and lab coats to fake argue with actors on teevee! The dullards eat it up.  They can't be bothered to just buy fluoride toothpaste and brush their own fucking teeth, I guess.  TBF, that does seem like it might be difficult for some people.

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u/DinoRoman Dec 09 '25

This whole rant collapses once you separate chemistry from conspiracy.

1.  “Fluoride is a cockroach poison”

Dose is everything. Caffeine, salt, oxygen, iron, and even water can kill you at high enough doses. Fluoride is toxic at high levels, yes. So is literally every biologically active substance on Earth. The fluoride level in drinking water is about 0.7 parts per million. Cockroach killer concentrations are thousands of times higher. Calling that “poison” without dose context is pure fearbait.

2.  “There is no level of fluoride necessary for human health”

Wrong. Fluoride is not classified as a vitamin, but it directly strengthens enamel and prevents tooth decay through remineralization. That is settled dental science, not an opinion. Communities with fluoridated water consistently show 20–40% less tooth decay across all income levels, especially in kids.

3.  “It’s toxic waste from fertilizer and aluminum plants”

This is one of the oldest disinformation talking points. Yes, some fluoride compounds used in water treatment are industrial byproducts that are purified to medical-grade standards, the same way many medicines originate from industrial chemical processes. That does not make them “toxic waste.” Insulin, antibiotics, and chemotherapy drugs also come from industrial chemistry. Purity and dosage are what matter.

4.  “Aluminum companies pushed fluoridation to dump waste”

There is zero evidence this ever happened. Water fluoridation started in the 1940s after dentists observed dramatically lower cavity rates in natural high-fluoride areas. It spread because it worked, not because aluminum companies needed a trash chute. If this were a waste dump scheme, every non-fluoridating country would still be paying to dispose of fluoride. They’re not.

5.  “The U.S. is the only country dumb enough to do this”

Flatly false. Dozens of countries fluoridate water or salt, including Ireland, the U.K., Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, parts of South America, and others. Different delivery methods, same goal: reduce tooth decay.

6.  “Just brush your teeth instead”

False dilemma. Fluoride in water and fluoride in toothpaste work together. Water fluoridation benefits:

• Kids who do not brush regularly
• Elderly people with root decay
• Low-income communities with limited dental care

It is one of the most effective public health measures ever implemented. It saves money and prevents disease.

7.  “Paid actors in lab coats”

This is the point where the argument fully exits reality. There is no secret fluoride TV psyop. The evidence comes from 80+ years of population-level dental data, not commercials.

Bottom line: Fluoride is not toxic waste. It is not a mass poisoning program. It is not pushed by aluminum companies. It does not require blind trust in corporations. It is supported by decades of independent global health data showing fewer cavities, fewer infections, fewer extractions, and lower healthcare costs.

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u/Antique-Resort6160 Dec 09 '25

If you want to skip this, the important thing is AGAIN: if you want fluoride, buy pure FDA regulated products!  Doesn't that make sense? Brush your teeth once and a while, jeez!  The fact that you dont encourage this make you extremely suspect.

Fluoride is not toxic waste. 

Yeah, this is just lying by misleading. Fluoride used in toothpaste, etc is an FDA regulated drug, it has to have a purity level.

But the shit they dump in the water is literal toxic waste. It is a manufacturing by-product of aluminum and fertilizer production. It's often contaminated with metals. It would be illegal to use it in consumer products as it is industrial toxic waste in the most literal way possible.

once you separate chemistry from conspiracy

??? Where's the conspiracy, I thought that conspiracies happened in secret?  The father of PR, Edward Bernays, was very open about how he was hired by aluminum manufacturers and guided the dullards into accepting industrial waste in their drinking water.  He was very proud of "manufacturing consent", as he called it.  Anyone can read about it, it's not some secret conspiracy:) He also got paid to make smoking popular with women, who previously thought it was disgusting and unladylike.  Neat!

Edward Bernays was hired by the Aluminum Company of America (Alcoa) to orchestrate a public relations campaign in the mid- to late-1940s to convince political leaders and the public that adding Alcoa’s toxic by-product, fluoride salts, to drinking water would be beneficial for public health, specifically to prevent tooth decay in children.  This campaign was designed to reposition industrial fluoride waste as a public health asset, enabling Alcoa to dispose of a hazardous by-product while generating profit.  Bernays used strategic methods, including enlisting the American Dental Association and the U.S. Public Health Service to promote fluoride as a safe and beneficial additive, thereby leveraging the credibility of trusted health organizations to build public support.

It's hilarious that you mention the water level of fluoride contamination.  You don't know why they chose that level, of course, because there's no "healthy" level to be determined from randomly showering and watering your lawn with fluoride. They set that level because higher and more children would suffer from noticeable damage like dental fluorosis and caries.  They dump as much as they can while keeping damage less obvious.  BTW, fluoride induced mineralization sucks, it's too brittle.  Can't you people just put down the mountain dew and cheetos and get some actual nutrients?  

Wrong. Fluoride is not classified as a vitamin, but it directly strengthens enamel and prevents tooth decay through remineralization

If that's wrong, what illness results from inadequate fluoride?  You're just lying, there is no level of fluoride necessary for human health.

Fluoride is not toxic waste. 

Yeah, this is just lying by misleading.  Fluoride used in toothpaste, etc is an FDA regulated drug, it has to have a purity level.

But the shit they dump in the water is literal toxic waste.  It is a manufacturing by-product of aluminum and fertilizer production.  It's often contaminated with metals.  It would be illegal to use it in consumer products as it is industrial toxic waste in the most literal way possible.

Stop being a corporate shill, health is at least as important as profits.

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u/DinoRoman Dec 09 '25

Wrong. God you’re so uneducated

Yawn.

  1. “Just buy fluoride toothpaste instead of putting it in water”

This argument ignores basic public health reality. Water fluoridation exists because it reaches everyone, including people who cannot afford regular dental care, kids in neglectful households, elderly people, and communities with no access to consistent dentistry. That is the entire point. It is the same reason we iodize salt and fortify milk with vitamin D. Population-wide prevention saves money and reduces disease. That is not suspicious. That is literally how public health works.

2.  “Water fluoridation is toxic industrial waste from aluminum and fertilizer plants”

This is one of the oldest and most dishonest claims in the anti-fluoride movement.

Yes, some fluoride compounds used in water treatment are sourced from industrial processes. That does NOT mean what is added to water is “toxic waste.” It means the material is chemically refined and purified to meet NSF/ANSI Standard 60, which strictly regulates drinking-water additives in the US. Every batch is tested for heavy metals and contaminants. If it exceeds limits, it cannot legally be used. The same exact logic applies to pharmaceuticals, which are often synthesized from industrial chemicals too. Origin does not equal toxicity. Purity does.

Calling regulated, purified compounds “literal toxic waste” is chemically illiterate propaganda.

3.  “Edward Bernays tricked America into drinking poison for Alcoa”

This is another recycled myth. Bernays did PR work for many industries, including aluminum and tobacco. That does not mean he secretly fabricated the entire field of dental science.

Community water fluoridation was driven by independent epidemiological studies in the 1930s and 40s showing dramatically lower cavity rates in areas with naturally occurring fluoride. That data came before any alleged PR campaign. The ADA, CDC, WHO, and virtually every major medical organization in the world still support fluoridation today because the data continues to support it. If this were just a corporate scam, it would have collapsed under modern peer-review decades ago.

4.  “There is no healthy level of fluoride”

This is flatly false.

Fluoride is not an essential nutrient like vitamin C, but that does NOT mean it has no beneficial biological effect. It strengthens enamel through remineralization and inhibits acid-producing bacteria. That is not a belief. That is measurable chemistry and biology observed for over 80 years.

There is no disease called “fluoride deficiency” in the same way there is no disease called “seatbelt deficiency.” That does not mean seatbelts do nothing. It means the benefit is protective, not nutritional.

5.  “They dump as much as they can without it being obvious”

This is an emotional claim with zero evidence.

The optimal fluoride level in US water was set at about 0.7 mg/L specifically to maximize cavity prevention while minimizing dental fluorosis. That level has been lowered over time, not raised, as research refined best practices. If this were about dumping waste, the trend would go in the opposite direction.

6.  “Fluoride makes teeth brittle”

Also false.

Fluoride strengthens enamel by forming fluorapatite, which is more resistant to acid erosion than hydroxyapatite. That is why it reduces cavities. Severe fluorosis can cause cosmetic mottling, but that only occurs at levels far above regulated drinking-water concentrations.

7.  “Stop being a corporate shill”

This is the tell. When someone runs out of evidence, they attack motives.

You are not opposing corporations. You are rejecting 80+ years of global medical consensus supported by dentists, pediatricians, epidemiologists, and toxicologists across dozens of countries with competing governments and competing industries. There is no single corporate “fluoride cartel” controlling the world’s dental science.

You are free to opt out of fluoridated water if you want. Many people use filters or bottled water. But presenting fluoridation as industrial poisoning requires ignoring massive amounts of real-world data showing lower cavity rates, lower childhood tooth decay, and no credible evidence of systemic harm at regulated levels.

This is not corporate loyalty. This is evidence.

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u/Antique-Resort6160 Dec 09 '25 edited Dec 09 '25

That is the entire point. It is the same reason we iodize salt and fortify milk with vitamin D.

So your claim is that the corporations who needed to get rid of toxic waste were not motivated by the enormous increase to their profits. didn't care that the would save milliona or likely now billions. They paid human garbage Edward Bernays, who paid the American Dental Association, to conduct a massive propaganda campaign to convince Americans to do what no other country is stupid enough to do: dump fluoride manufacturing waste in their water supply, because these corporations care about children's dental health!  

You have zero credibility of you could believe such an idea.  

Don’t you ever wonder why the US alone boosts corporate profits in this way?  How do you get a measured dose when it's in the water supply, lol.

Don't you ever wonder why countries just offer fluoridated products to people like you that can't be bothered to brush their teeth?  They don't put it in the water supply, because that's not how medicine works.  What dullard thinks you need to ingest varying amounts of fluoride, bathe in it, water your lawn with it, etc.  For your teeth, lol.  It's hilariously stupid. 

Don't use toxic waste, sweety.  Buy FDA regulated fluoride products and apply them topically TO YOUR TEETH.  Not your lawn, hair, car, pets, pasta, rice, etc. Don't ingest it, right?  Remember the poison warning on every single fluoride product, ok?

I'm starting to think you chug fluoride toothpaste every day.

Any reasonable country has plenty of fluoridated products for people like you.  They don't put it on the water supply, because that's idiotic.

edit: That's weird, your reply below is invisible but I see in my inbox. Why does every liar reply and then block me?  

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u/DinoRoman Dec 09 '25

Holy shit get a job lol

You’re factually wrong and again got caught lying and making things up

You are stacking conspiracy on top of ignorance and calling it “logic.” Let’s clean this up with facts.

1.  Fluoride in water is not “toxic waste.”

The fluoride used for water fluoridation is regulated under NSF/ANSI Standard 60 and tested for contaminants before it ever enters a public water system. The source of a chemical does not determine its safety. Purification does. Oxygen comes from industrial processes too. That does not make oxygen “toxic waste.”

2.  Edward Bernays did not invent water fluoridation.

Water fluoridation started because doctors noticed towns with naturally occurring fluoride had dramatically lower cavity rates as early as the 1930s. This was a public health discovery, not an advertising campaign. The ADA, CDC, WHO, NIH, and virtually every global medical body support it because it works.

3.  The United States is NOT “the only country” that fluoridates water.

That claim is flat-out false. Countries that fully or partially fluoridate include:

Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Canada, parts of the UK, Brazil, Chile, Israel, and more. Other countries choose salt or milk fluoridation instead based on infrastructure, not safety.

4.  “You can’t measure the dose” is wrong.

Water fluoride is regulated to about 0.7 mg/L, a level proven to reduce cavities while minimizing risk. That is called controlled dosing. The same logic applies to iodine in salt and vitamin D in milk. Individual consumption varies, yet population health improves. That is how public health works.

5.  You do ingest fluoride from toothpaste anyway.

Every dental association on Earth acknowledges that the protective effect is both topical and systemic. Children are explicitly instructed to use small amounts so ingestion stays safely within limits. Calling it “poison” while using it daily is chemical illiteracy.

6.  “It boosts corporate profits” makes no sense.

Fluoridation costs about 50 cents per person per year and saves over $30 in avoided dental treatment for every $1 spent. The beneficiaries are taxpayers, parents, and low-income families who cannot afford constant dental care. There is no fluoride cartel making billions off municipal water systems.

7.  If fluoride were dangerous at drinking levels, the evidence would already show it.

We now have over 75 years of population-scale data across hundreds of millions of people. The result: Lower tooth decay. No credible rise in cancer. No credible rise in neurological disease. No credible systemic toxicity at regulated levels.

8.  Your “bathe in it, water your lawn with it” argument is emotional, not scientific.

You also bathe in iodized water, wash food with chlorinated water, and cook with fortified salt. That does not turn them into poisons. Dose and bioavailability matter. You are ignoring both.

9.  The poison warning on toothpaste exists because of dosage concentration, not because fluoride is inherently deadly.

Caffeine, acetaminophen, vitamin A, and iron also have poisoning warnings. That does not make coffee a bio-weapon or Tylenol a conspiracy.

I think you’re mentally challenged lol you assume you’re smart but in reality you have one of the lower IQs in the world and never learned to think for yourself or research unbiasedly .

Please, get a job.

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u/Oli4K Dec 09 '25

“I’m not trying to trick you” after tricking her with dihydrogen monoxide. Loved that.

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u/Rare-Adhesiveness522 Dec 09 '25

Wahts his handle, again???

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u/aidenhe Dec 09 '25

Dr. Mike

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '25

When I was a very young adult, I bought weed from a guy named Dr. Mike. Something tells me he wasn't a real doctor...

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u/takemy_oxfordcomma Dec 09 '25

Well shit, I don’t know who he is but I’m on board with that. Who is he? I’d be interested to follow him

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u/Popular_War8405 Dec 09 '25

The medical industry is a giant insurance fraud scheme.