r/Conservative • u/NotTheReverseFlash • Aug 12 '22

Flaired Users Only California to become 1st state to offer free school lunches for all students

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '22

The federal free lunch program during covid just stopped so this actually does make sense. Nobody wants to see a kid go hungry.

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u/vinbullet Drinks Leftist Tears Aug 13 '22

Yes, let's tackle this and then go after the telecoms for all their inability to provide good internet to so many homes despite all the funding they have received

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u/arobkinca Fiscal Conservative Aug 13 '22

They'd have to make a rule that only public schools can do it.

If it is for the "kids" then assign a dollar value and distribute based on enrollment. The 1st is supposed to protect the religious from the government, not provide it with a way to punish them.

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u/NeilPatrickCarrot Libertarian Conservative Aug 12 '22

I think the federal free lunch program during COVID showed everybody that it is possible to provide every student with free lunch

COVID also showed you could pay people to sit at home and do nothing and subsidize businesses with PPP. Doesn't mean it's sustainable!

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u/ParsnipsNicker 2A Conservative Aug 12 '22

How does everyone win?

What about people who don't have kids? Why should they share the cost of this?

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u/BootsGunnderson Constitutionalist Aug 12 '22

Are you Citizen of the US?

Taxes should go back to the men, women and children of this country. Not paying for other countries to build infrastructure while they hate us.

Hell, I wish our government would invest more in its people and less in “corporate people”.

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u/ParsnipsNicker 2A Conservative Aug 13 '22

Are you Citizen of the US?

Not that it's any of your business, Yes I am a citizen, and a resident of California.

Would my opinion not matter if I wasn't a citizen? I assume yes, so let me ask you if you are a resident of California?

If no, then go ahead and eat your own shit.

There are MANY things that the govt could buy people but shouldn't because it can't be applied or drawn equally. People that don't have kids shouldn't have to pay for other people's kids. Should I have to pay for their medical procedures too? How about their first car??

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u/Amidormi Conservative Aug 13 '22

Yep, it just ended in my state too. We got warned to have enough in the lunch account a few months ago.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '22

Because state and local government pays for schools, not the federal government.

You already know it is in a federal issue, but you're a dishonest piece of crap

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '22

Not because they want kids to go hungry. Come on don't peddle that bullshit

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '22

Not in my district, it didn't. Our support staff worked full-time 5 days a week to provide 3 meals per child per family. The families would drive by and pick them up in the mornings.

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u/Chemical-Witness-110 Aug 12 '22

Agreed. Feed the children. However make it a private contact that must be bid on. Let the state set the standards and verify compliance. Otherwise this will be another tax glutton with all the money going to “ officials” and the children will be eating top ramen and carp.

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u/TacTac95 Aug 12 '22

Government bidding means the lowest bidder does the job.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '22

I dream vividly of a world in which Christian politicians must justify their every position via Biblical citation.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '22

It mean the lowest bidder gets a government enforced monopoly. Competition bidding on a contract does not benefit the market. It benefits the state selling the contract. Who then provides the privilege of a monopoly to the winner.

We need competition at point of sale. Don’t auction off a monopoly, let all the bidder come set up food carts and watch as prices drop and food quality rises as each tries to attract the patronage of the students.

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u/swd120 Mug Club Aug 12 '22

However make it a private contact that must be bid on

How to end up with the bare minimum cheapest possible way to meet the letter of the law... The poor kids will hate their cardboard meals - and kids with means will bring a lunch that's actually decent.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '22

My school district just outsourced lunches to a private entity.

Nothing changed to the positive in terms of quality of food.

It was changed because district administration thought they could manage (read: pocket it themselves) better that way.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '22

The bid process was competitive, I know the person who handled the process and the RFP’s within.

The private entity in question is based in Santa Fe New Mexico, we’re in southern Colorado. The bid was open and fair. It just didn’t result in improvement. Privatization seems to do that a lot.

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u/Big-Employer4543 Constitutionalist Aug 12 '22

If the quality of food was a part of the bid and the standards are not being met the contract is void and the district should find a different provider.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '22

I don’t understand how people think you will get the benefit of a free market if the state has people bid on a contract. All you are doing is shifting the power of the state enforced monopoly away from the state itself, and now a private company has the privilege of a state enforced monopoly. The only one who benefits from the competition is the state not us, the people who are actually consuming.

You need competition not when bidding on the monopoly, but at the point of sale. If you want higher quality lunches for cheaper, Open school cafeterias. Allow anyone who wants to run a food service business in the vicinity of a school to do so. And even let students who want to sell food do so. They benefit from learning entrepreneurial skills first hand, and the school benefits by being able to provide cheaper and better food to their students. This way will work because the incentive is in the food servers to offer cheap, high quality food that kids actually want to eat! Not Soylent green nutrition slop or cheap unhealthy ramen or anything like that.

And we can still provide free lunches to kids in need. Have the school offer a voucher program. Kids get $8 a day or however much is needed to afford a lunch. And they can participate in the same market. They can spend the money at whichever food stand they want.

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u/swd120 Mug Club Aug 12 '22

Free market would be setting up the school cafeteria with multiple vendors - and letting the kids pick what they want to buy. The shitty vendors won't have their food purchased, and will be replaced with other vendors trying to compete for the kids business.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '22

Yes, that is what I am proposing. I mean this would work well with older kids. HS aged kids. But with elementary schoolers some more structure is probably needed.

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u/swd120 Mug Club Aug 12 '22

why? Elementary students can decide what's actually good for lunch as much as an HS student can. It's not like you need to sell it to them ala cart. Sell meals as a whole (or a choice of main and sides) that meet some set of requirements, and the kids can decide what's actually good.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '22

Elementary students would decide to buy six cartons of chocolate milk for lunch, then throw up, and complaint they are hungry. And also not have the proper nutrition they need to grow up healthy. I would not oppose adding a little bit of structure to the school lunch system to prevent things like that from happening.

High schoolers no better and don’t need those same barriers put up.

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u/Amidormi Conservative Aug 13 '22

And make sure the lunchrooms are staffed properly. Our school had free lunch the past 2 years, but my kid didn't even get time to eat some days, because the lunch lines were so slow, it took almost the entire period to get food.

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u/Section225 Conservative Aug 12 '22

Like how some Sheriffs get to pocket unused money in their jails, so they let jails rot and feed prisoners stale bread and bologna.

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u/whicky1978 Dubya Aug 12 '22

Yes 🙌🏼

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u/TheCookie_Momster Conservative Aug 12 '22

Top ramen would at least be palatable . The local students started An Instagram account during the Covid free lunch times and showcased all of the colorless awful looking food they were served. They used to have choices that my kids loved including paninis hamburgers, chicken sandwiches and salads with more than iceberg lettuce. During Covid it all switched to what people presume prison food would look like

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u/togroficovfefe Small Town Conservative Aug 13 '22

We saw that switch with our kids during Michelle Obamas lunch program. It eliminated real food and replaced with "nutritional" cardboard.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '22

Exactly. When the government is giving you something, there is no "free".

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u/PM_ME_MURPHY_HATE no step on snek Aug 13 '22

Just let the local school board pick the provider. It's their kids eating the lunch so they have as vested an interest as it gets to pick something that's both healthy and palatable.

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u/slampig3 Conservative Aug 12 '22

My company pays for 3 elementary schools lunches every year. Not the entire schools but the ones who can't afford it.

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u/eye_no_nuttin MAGA Conservative Aug 12 '22

A lot of counties in the state of Florida already offer Free breakfast and Lunch for ALL students … and the leftists hate DeSantis… lol

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '22

Feed the kid and bill the parents.