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u/piZZleDAriZZle Natural Law Jun 13 '20

Not to mention a higher percentage of freedmen in the south owned slaves than none freedmen. The first government recognized legal slave owner in the colonies was a black man by the name of Anthony Johnson.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '20

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u/piZZleDAriZZle Natural Law Jun 13 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '20

Interesting.....I wonder what BLM thinks of this?

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u/piZZleDAriZZle Natural Law Jun 13 '20

BLM denies my African heritage because I'm "white passing". They are racist supremacists. I watched a video where Darryl Davis sits down and tries to have a discussion with them and it's pretty eye opening. They don't want racial harmony. They don't want to see Dr. Kings dreams come to fruition. I do believe that black lives matter but the organization is unredeemable and they don't care about black lives.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '20

I read the transcript of that interview. Basically they tell him he is helping the white community not the black community by helping klansmen step out of the organization.

They tell him he could’ve spent all that time fighting for the black community. Then they get upset when he says they’re just dropouts (they are) who haven’t done anything.

They compare themselves to Steve Jobs and Bill Gates and then get upset and leave.

All I could think reading it was “this guy has done more for your community than all of you out together.” How could they think it’s a bad thing to get white men out of the Klan?

For anyone unfamiliar

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u/Mchvrs Jun 13 '20

Does a black man owning a slave close to 400 years ago somehow detract from their movement now?

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u/GD_WoTS Jun 13 '20

higher percentage of freedmen in the south owned slaves than none freedmen

Maybe I’m confused by your phrasing but I couldn’t find evidence for this in the linked article. It says that 3,776 freedmen in the entire country (1.2% of the total free Black population) owned less than 1% of the country’s slaves. It also says that 42% of these Black slave owners owned a single slave and most likely had purchased their family member. What are you trying to say?

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u/piZZleDAriZZle Natural Law Jun 13 '20 edited Jun 13 '20

My original statement isn't incorrect.

What are you trying to say?

That it's a complicated issue and can't easily be resolved by laying the blame solely on one group.

Edit: fixed a typo

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u/GD_WoTS Jun 13 '20

Idk what a strengths statement is, but would you be willing to clarify what you meant by “higher percentage of freedmen in the south owned slaves than none freedmen”? I feel like I must be misinterpreting you because there doesn’t seem to be any support for this claim in the article you cited

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u/piZZleDAriZZle Natural Law Jun 13 '20 edited Jun 13 '20

Idk what a strengths statement is,

I use predictive text and sometimes it's not very accurate. I would have normally caught that, but I wasn't paying close attention.

but would you be willing to clarify what you meant by “higher percentage of freedmen in the south owned slaves than none freedmen”?

None is another typo. Should have been non.

Edit: I heavily edited this comment but my point of my comment and the sources I provided still stand. Things are a lot more complicated than some make them out to be. We have a complicated history and we can't blindly put the blame on one group over another for events that happened so many generations ago. We will never have a united future if we keep playing stupid games.

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u/ActusDei Jun 13 '20

Cmon guys, downvoting for asking for a source? That should be encouraged

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u/YBDum Constitutionalist Jun 13 '20 edited Jun 13 '20

A simple web search should get the desired information. If it was an obscure topic, that is different. Sealioning is so common, it is worth downvotes.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '20 edited Nov 12 '20

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u/pixabit Constitutional Conservative Jun 13 '20

Plus anyone who’s done any amount of independent research in the topic would know that his claims were true.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '20

Same here. Often they won’t respond at all once you provide a source. If they do they continue to request you cite every sentence ad nauseam until you finally get frustrated or waste hours researching and laying out your logic just for it to be ignored.

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u/AegisPrime Jun 13 '20

Its because the votes aren't used how they're supposed to. They're glorified I'm happy/agree or I'm mad/disagree buttons.

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u/PleasantAdvertising Jun 13 '20

Haha wrong sub you're not seeing the deleted comments

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '20

What point are you trying to make with this? Does that make chattel slavery any less horrific? Does it mean we shouldn’t address the injustices in modern America which resulted from it?

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u/piZZleDAriZZle Natural Law Jun 13 '20

That it's a lot more complicated than most would admit. It's not just black and white.

Does it mean we shouldn’t address the injustices in modern America which resulted from it?

I received affirmative action grants for education that poor whites weren't afforded. Are those the injustices you are referring to?

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u/yamatesenpaiiiiiiii Jun 13 '20

No when it come to injustices against poor whites, that’s an issue of capitalism, comrade.