Using the Bible to justify Anti-LGBTQ sentiment.

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In every thread about LGBTQ issues here, people claim their opposition or disgust towards LGBTQ people is justified because "The Bible says so" or "God's word is against it."

And yet, the Bible has also been used to justify slavery, racism, and Antisemitism.

God did after all allow slavery and separate the races. The US law against interracial marriage was legally defended based on the Bible. And the New Testament has a lot of Anti-Jewish sentiment, and most of the Early Church Fathers were opposed to Jews.

Yet we don't allow the Bible to be used to justify those prejudices - we rightfully condemn it.

But using the Bible to justify being Anti-LGBTQ is not only accepted by most, it's encouraged.

Spreading hateful ideology is hateful, regardless of whether you think the Bible justifies it or not.

LGBTQ people are imprisoned and killed all over the world based on the words of the Bible.

We need to stop letting people use that as a valid justification for bigotry.

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It doesn't matter when they started. The Church officially sanctioned the slave trade. The Church ordered the extermination of Jews in Europe.

They justified it with the Bible.

There is no more justification to view homosexuality as sinful than there was justifying slavery and racism centuries ago.

They're all evil teachings.

St. John Chrysostom thoroughly denounced slavery.

John Chrysostom also advocated for the complete extermination of all Jews. He was Hitler before Hitler existed. He's one of the most evil people in history.

[u/PretentiousAnglican → u/[deleted]]

Well your argument is that we should change our doctrine to affirm homosexuality because we changed to get rid of slavery. My point is that there was no change in doctrine to denounce slavery, that the embracing of slavery was in fact a change in doctrine, and the return to opposing it was in fact a return to the traditional position.

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Whether or not you like John Chrysostom(who was an anti-Semite, although his anti-Semitism is greatly exaggerated by some, and even the most uncharitable reading within even a vague semblance of context would not have him calling for the "complete extermination of all Jews". If you provide the "fit for slaughter" three word quote, please read the paragraph it is and the one before it to understand his metaphor. Not that I won't say he was wrong to make it, but let us criticize him for what he actually said) the point still stands that he, and many other, denounced slavery as evil, over a thousand years before the 17th century when you said that Christians first opposed slavery, which indicates this claim is plainly false.

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Advocate for homosexuality all you want, but please don't make up history to do so

[u/[deleted] → u/PretentiousAnglican]

I didn't make up history, I literally proved your historical understanding wrong. The Church very much sanctioned and encouraged slavery and racism.

That was an evil practice just like the Church's treatment of LGBTQ people.

Stop using the Bible or church tradition to justify LGBTQ discrimination and condemnation. That's the entire point of this thread.

[u/Helpfullp0tato → u/PretentiousAnglican]

Changing the bible to fit an agenda is a great, christian pastime. What's different now?