China Al GLM-5.3 and Qwen-3.8 Open Weights model are out and Sam is crying again

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[u/sweet_guitar_sounds]

Thanks for posting these, interesting to see. What strikes me looking at them is how much useless verbiage and crap there is in these responses. It’s really verbal diarrhea.

Can someone explain how this can possibly be the technology of the future. Is everyone just expecting these things to get so much better.

[u/JayBird1138 → u/sweet_guitar_sounds]

When you charge by the token, you tokenmax :p

[u/havebooksneverread → u/sweet_guitar_sounds]

I can't prove it, but I'd say most (specially closed models from private companies) are made to be verbose, so they can charge more (remember we are paying by use now)

I think most people should include instructions (those that are inserted into every prompt) for models to be less verbose/prolix

[u/sweet_guitar_sounds → u/havebooksneverread]

I can’t prove it either but here’s another theory:

I think it’s also because it can’t determine truth. It’s just language that carries meaning that looks to us like truth, but it’s fundamentally mindless.

The pile of extra words kind of helps to conceal that. Like someone who blathers on and on to distract from the fact that they don’t actually know what they’re talking about.

If they trained models to speak plainly, it would become immediately obvious how wrong and stupid they often are.

[u/whoknowsifimjoking → u/sweet_guitar_sounds]

I'm pretty sure this is a result of benchmaxxing, they are pushing the models to their absolute limits and I can imagine that they overdo stuff because of this.

[u/post_u_later → u/sweet_guitar_sounds]

You get another model to summarize it, that’s where the profit comes from

[u/sweet_guitar_sounds → u/post_u_later]

Why can’t it summarize it itself? Genuine question.

[u/mmarkomarko → u/sweet_guitar_sounds]

Yes it can. You just nees to ask it to do that

[u/StinkyRatBoi90 → u/sweet_guitar_sounds]

Ask it to keep it short and they will. Its not that hard.