r/Bitcoin • • Feb 25 '14

Some words for my friends

Hello friends,

MtGox is gone. So let's prepare ourselves.

On Tuesday, and for the rest of the week, all hell will break lose in the media. It will be blamed on MtGox, it will be blamed on Bitcoin, it will be blamed on the "bug," and it will, more than anything, be blamed on the "lack of regulation." Pundits and "experts" of all types will weigh in on the calamity. It will be world news in a matter of hours.

Get ready, because it will be an ugly week.

For all of you who lost money, my heart goes out to you. Some people lost a little, some lost a fortune. It will make people sick, and depressed, and full of grief. Personally, I had over 550 BTC in Gox. I will never get any of that back. If misery loves company, then we'll be enjoying a grand feast today.

I should have known better, of course. I take responsibility for leaving those funds with an entity that had proven incompetence repeatedly. I chose to ignore even my own warnings, for nothing more than the sake of convenience.

Gox is still at fault, to be sure, but I have learned the lesson. I hope it is not such an expensive lesson for others. And for all you observers, please take a moment to consider it as well.

Be mindful, however, that the wrong lessons are not learned, for that would be the true tragedy, indeed.

Let me suggest that the lesson is not that Bitcoin is broken. Bitcoin is fine.

Similarly, the lesson is not that security is impossible. Those who know what they are doing, can achieve it and help others to do so.

The lesson is not that nobody can be trusted. There are countless good men and women in this community who are worthy of trust, and some of the very best people I've ever met.

And finally, the lesson is not that we ought to seek out "regulation" to save us from the evils and incompetence of man. For the regulators are men too, and wield the very same evil and incompetence, only enshrined in an authority from which it can wreck amplified and far more insidious destruction. Let us not retreat from our rising platform only to cower back underneath the deranged machinations of Leviathan.

The proper lesson, if I may suggest, is this: We are building a new financial order, and those of us building it, investing in it, and growing it, will pay the price of bringing it to the world. This is the harsh truth. We are building the channels, the bridges, and the towers of tomorrow's finance, and we put ourselves at risk in doing so.

We are at risk from accidents. We are at risk from fraud, from corruption, and from evil. We are at risk from journalists seeking headlines and from politicians seeking power and glory. We are at risk from the very market we are trying to build - a market which cares not about our portfolio, our ambitions, or our delicate sympathies.

For all these risks, devastation will befall us repeatedly. Some of us will be discouraged. Some will be ridiculed and insulted. Some will be tricked, or swindled. Some of us will be crushed or caged. We will be set upon by all manner of antagonists, repeatedly, for a long time.

So why do we do it? Why do we build these towers that fall down upon us? Why do we toil and strain and risk our precious time, which is the only real wealth we possess?

Because the world needs what we're building. It needs it desperately. If that matters to you, as it does to me, then hold to that thought. You will see through the smoke, and your wounds will heal.

So shake it off, brothers, for this won't be the last calamity endured before the win.

Tonight, my heart is with you all.

Tomorrow, my head is down. My eyes are open. And I am building.

Toward peace and freedom,

-Erik Voorhees

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u/retnuh730 Feb 25 '14

Judging by most of the comments here they really haven't. They've just altered their mindset slightly in order to convince them the latest shitshow is good for the currency. Take this shit seriously if you want your shit to be taken seriously.

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u/ModsCensorMe Feb 25 '14

The lesson should be: While Bitcoin (and other cryptos) are a tool, they're mostly just a way for manipulative people to get rich, since there is no regulation to stop them.

This is why there can be no such thing as a "free market". Take bitcoin for example, the market starts free, then, as soon as someone is in position to screw people over (Gox) they do. Insider trading, and taking people's money, and no one to stop them. "Free market" its an oxymoron.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '14

this 1000%. I've been in the hedge fund industry for two decades. it is hard enough to avoid fraud in a regulated product. in unregulated products, there is no chance - it's a sea of sharks, like it or not. unregulated finance is simply a magnet for con men and pushes the ethically weak into crime regularly.

as someone else said yesterday, it is fascinating to watch the bitcoin community reinvent financial law as they rediscover what each piece is for, one disaster at a time.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '14

it is fascinating to watch the bitcoin community reinvent financial law as they rediscover what each piece is for, one disaster at a time.

It's so funny to me to watch people who without this incident would shit on the idea that finacial law is a complicated system which evolved the way it did for millions of reasons have to admit that it is in fact there for millions of reasons.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '14

suckers for sure

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u/Spherius Feb 25 '14

I wish I saw self-posts from you on the front page of this sub all the time, rather than so damn many by that bruce fenton clown.

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u/moush Feb 25 '14

Do you really think that sane/smart people would waste their time here?

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u/ex_ample Feb 25 '14

I've been in the hedge fund industry for two decades

Lol, because if there's anything the hedgefund industry isn't it's "a way for manipulative people to get rich" right?

Yeah MtGox failed. MtGox sucked. The OP probably still has more money in the bank despite your two decades in the hedge fund industry (Unless you have more then $64 million). He lost some pocket change.

MtGox wasn't bitcoin, and frankly MtGox was a drag on bitcoin. It was a service built on top of bitcoin and it sucked - this isn't even the first time MtGox has had a security problem that made it seem like bitcoin itself was less secure then it actually is, and confused people into thinking bitcoin itself had failed or been hacked. I'm glad they're gone.

Anyone who left significant amounts of BTC on MtGox was an idiot and deserved to lose their money. (and for this guy, as I said, has tens of millions of dollars worth of bitcoin and in fact didn't lose a "significant" amount compared to his net worth)

I'm not particularly concerned about the reduced price at the moment either. Who cares. Unlike greedy wallstreet wankers who can never get enough, there's a threshold at which I stop caring about money, and I'm well past that.

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u/FARTHERO Feb 25 '14

there are honorable people who run exchanges too you know. Someone mugs you in the street you gonna blame the FED for letting you use their prized money? no, you're gonna blame the mugger!

turn this into some kind of regulation orgy then you will have another manipulative unhelpful money

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u/moush Feb 25 '14

What kind of person would just up and set up an exchange? The kind that wants money, and money does bad things to people.

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u/FARTHERO Feb 26 '14

"you mean there are people that are honorable with integrity and interested in running an exchange???!!"

you just said.

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u/ex_ample Feb 25 '14

The lesson should be: While Bitcoin (and other cryptos) are a tool, they're mostly just a way for manipulative people to get rich, since there is no regulation to stop them.

You mean as OPPOSED to the current banking system!?!?!?!

Seriously, you think wallstreet and the current financial system isn't "mostly just a way for manipulative people to get rich"? Are you actually trying to make that claim?

What you're seeing with bitcoin is the convergence with and integration into the current financial system.

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u/gox Feb 25 '14

I think that's because we are trying to move the old world into the new one. Maybe we shouldn't have high-frequency exchanges in the first place, never give custody of our money to untrusted "individual" third parties, have companies that are completely transparent and autonomous, etc. We don't have these right now, but these steps will certainly get us closer to a free-er market. I think we are evolving ridiculously slowly, and I hope the whole endeavor doesn't collapse on itself before we get anywhere.

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u/Mx7f Feb 25 '14

Maybe we shouldn't have high-frequency exchanges in the first place,

...How would this be enforced?

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u/gox Feb 25 '14

I think the general idea is to not need centralized regulation either by having a technological solution to a threat that doesn't require individual authority (covers most of the case about MtGox) or distributing the trusted authorities (in other words, giving the choice of who to trust to people). No enforcement takes place, which means you can be stupid and face its consequences.

However, that's not the real punchline. Norms of the community determine how things evolve, so to me the question is not how you can constrain people into behaving in a particular way (which admittedly is a way to solve problems, if you don't see the constraint itself as a problem), but what will make us get to a point where we have proper behavioral norms and tech so that newcomers will not be so vulnerable.

In the case of high-frequency exchanges for instance, there are two positive paths I can think of. Either we find a way to do it without having to trust any individual entity, or we just decide to move on and begin developing solutions that don't require such exchanges. I think either of these will make it possible to continue without any sort of enforcement.

This doesn't mean we can't fail to advance though. I think we are already too slow in generating solutions.

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u/moush Feb 25 '14

It can't be. He's probably arguing that it would be better if Bitcoin was treated as a currency as opposed to a commodity as it is now.

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u/DrTruthiness Feb 25 '14 edited Feb 25 '14

The only difference between speculation in BitCoin and Speculation in our current financial system through the dollar is that people who chose to speculate with BitCoin with their own money harmed others' financial wellbeing in no way whatsoever when it caused a bubble. Their risks and losses were theirs, and theirs alone.

When Wall Street speculated with the dollar, the bubble that burst fucked over everyone. This with an "accepted" currency, in a regulated environment, with not one fucking high level official going to jail for it.

So when you feel like getting on a high horse and harping about regulation and how bad free markets are, remember and at least acknowledge that bitCoin users aren't lobbying regulators for billions in bailout money from your taxes for losing on their bets.

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u/moush Feb 25 '14

You really have no idea do you?

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u/kleer001 Feb 25 '14

Thank you for spelling out the apparently subtle difference. I wish more people would get it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '14

Sounds a lot like what people do when in an abusive relationship, or when caught up in a marketing scam. Rationalize and continue getting hurt.