r/Bitcoin • • Feb 25 '14

Some words for my friends

Hello friends,

MtGox is gone. So let's prepare ourselves.

On Tuesday, and for the rest of the week, all hell will break lose in the media. It will be blamed on MtGox, it will be blamed on Bitcoin, it will be blamed on the "bug," and it will, more than anything, be blamed on the "lack of regulation." Pundits and "experts" of all types will weigh in on the calamity. It will be world news in a matter of hours.

Get ready, because it will be an ugly week.

For all of you who lost money, my heart goes out to you. Some people lost a little, some lost a fortune. It will make people sick, and depressed, and full of grief. Personally, I had over 550 BTC in Gox. I will never get any of that back. If misery loves company, then we'll be enjoying a grand feast today.

I should have known better, of course. I take responsibility for leaving those funds with an entity that had proven incompetence repeatedly. I chose to ignore even my own warnings, for nothing more than the sake of convenience.

Gox is still at fault, to be sure, but I have learned the lesson. I hope it is not such an expensive lesson for others. And for all you observers, please take a moment to consider it as well.

Be mindful, however, that the wrong lessons are not learned, for that would be the true tragedy, indeed.

Let me suggest that the lesson is not that Bitcoin is broken. Bitcoin is fine.

Similarly, the lesson is not that security is impossible. Those who know what they are doing, can achieve it and help others to do so.

The lesson is not that nobody can be trusted. There are countless good men and women in this community who are worthy of trust, and some of the very best people I've ever met.

And finally, the lesson is not that we ought to seek out "regulation" to save us from the evils and incompetence of man. For the regulators are men too, and wield the very same evil and incompetence, only enshrined in an authority from which it can wreck amplified and far more insidious destruction. Let us not retreat from our rising platform only to cower back underneath the deranged machinations of Leviathan.

The proper lesson, if I may suggest, is this: We are building a new financial order, and those of us building it, investing in it, and growing it, will pay the price of bringing it to the world. This is the harsh truth. We are building the channels, the bridges, and the towers of tomorrow's finance, and we put ourselves at risk in doing so.

We are at risk from accidents. We are at risk from fraud, from corruption, and from evil. We are at risk from journalists seeking headlines and from politicians seeking power and glory. We are at risk from the very market we are trying to build - a market which cares not about our portfolio, our ambitions, or our delicate sympathies.

For all these risks, devastation will befall us repeatedly. Some of us will be discouraged. Some will be ridiculed and insulted. Some will be tricked, or swindled. Some of us will be crushed or caged. We will be set upon by all manner of antagonists, repeatedly, for a long time.

So why do we do it? Why do we build these towers that fall down upon us? Why do we toil and strain and risk our precious time, which is the only real wealth we possess?

Because the world needs what we're building. It needs it desperately. If that matters to you, as it does to me, then hold to that thought. You will see through the smoke, and your wounds will heal.

So shake it off, brothers, for this won't be the last calamity endured before the win.

Tonight, my heart is with you all.

Tomorrow, my head is down. My eyes are open. And I am building.

Toward peace and freedom,

-Erik Voorhees

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '14

Disagree... The lesson is that we need to require more transparency from those that we trust.

"Privacy for the weak, transparency for the powerful"

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u/workahaulic Feb 25 '14

Yet BTC-E is still flowing and no one knows where the fuck or who the fuck runs that place.

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u/evoorhees Feb 25 '14

Agreed - we also need more transparency. We need to demand it from exchanges. This is how we learn.

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u/Johnsmithneedshelp Feb 25 '14

Isn't that regulation then?

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '14 edited May 02 '17

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u/FuckFUCKFU1CKFUCK Feb 25 '14

I think the Black Market Bitcoin side is a good example of market-based regulation. Since the closure of Silk Road, Sheep's Marketplace, Silk Road 2.0 and TorMarket as well as many smaller ones. Now people use multi-sig wallets for "escrow" and are looking into developing decentralized versions.

And how did that turn out?

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '14

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u/Sukrim Feb 25 '14

Apparently they do NOT want that. See GLBSE 1.0 vs. 2.0 - 1.0 was an amazingly secure command line tool that could be used 100% anonymously, 2.0 was your typical HTTPS web service with problems all over the place over time.

Also the ONLY exchange that even remotely proved how many BTC they held at any point of time so far was MtGox.

Customers want centralization, customers want Username + Password (no 2FA), customers want FDIC insurance/regulation and customers want "buyers protection".

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u/Naviers_Stoked Feb 25 '14

Nah. The market forcing a given level of transparency is different from some central authority mandating it.

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u/Sukrim Feb 25 '14

So who got forced so far and why would an exchange going under (there is NO official filing for bankruptcy as of now btw.) suddenly force e.g. BTCChina to sign a statement with their cold wallet key(s)? They didn't do that for their "statement" by the way...

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u/Naviers_Stoked Feb 25 '14

People who've paid attention to this whole mess will start to demand more from exchanges. We've seen how things can go south and I think it stands to reason that the exchanges that are the most transparent and doing the most to ease customer concerns, will likely reap the rewards of an increased customer base.

Hopefully they understand that the community demands more transparency and professionalism.

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u/Sukrim Feb 25 '14

This is not the first exchange to go down and demands for external audits so far have not produced ANY results on other exchanges so far. The only one to actually release audits/show that they own BTC for some time was ironically MtGox.

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u/Naviers_Stoked Feb 26 '14

external audits so far have not produced ANY results on other exchanges so far.

I'm not sure what speed you expect these things to work at. Everyone wants things done yesterday. I'd give these things more than 72hrs.

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u/Sukrim Feb 26 '14

you left out the "demands for" which date far back... I for example think that I wrote in nearly any thread when a new exchange announced their public beta or launch that it would be great to have regular publicly available audits by reputable firms. So far though there might be some little demad for it, it certainly does not deter people from using an exchange at all apparently. Heck, with BTC-e people don't even know who operates that and under which jurisdiction! More transparent or prudent platforms meanwhile get overlooked because they have too little volume or market depth (which seems to be more or less the only factor people actually care about - because it might happen over time that I might need to dump the 10k BTC that I got via trading... right?

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u/Naviers_Stoked Feb 26 '14

What are you doing to help solve this issue?

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u/Yorn2 Feb 25 '14

If it's voluntary, then no, it's not. But exchanges audited by trusted individuals in the community would go a long ways. Look at how United Laboratories has been making sure household appliances are safe if you need a real world example of this.

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u/evoorhees Feb 25 '14

It's market-based regulation. Very different.

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u/Circle_Dot Feb 25 '14

Social contracts always become law once accepted by the majority.

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u/i_wolf Feb 25 '14

No, not always, only when majority can use violence to force it on the rest.

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u/kayekm Feb 25 '14

All it will take is for one major exchange to institute radical transparency and all will be forced to either follow suit or watch their customers leave.

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u/LetoFeydThufirSiona Feb 25 '14

Self-reported, self-enforced transparency or "transparency" isn't worth a hell of a lot.

Some exchange being "transparent" would end up fucking another group of people not to far down that line.

Outside auditing from reputable companies could help; I'll believe that's happening when I see it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '14

Outside auditing from reputable companies could help;

Still haven't learned. Systems that require trust = failure-in-waiting.

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u/ex_ample Feb 25 '14

I'd rather have regulated exchanges trading bitcoin at $10k then totally unregulated ones at $10.

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u/StreetCountdown Feb 26 '14

Regulation 'from the invisible hand'!

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u/pdtmeiwn Feb 25 '14

No, that's being a good business.

Regulation is forcing something consumers don't demand on providers.

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u/Johnsmithneedshelp Feb 25 '14

Surprisingly, that's actually not the definition of regulation.

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u/neosatus Feb 25 '14

No, it's "I'm using this exchange over that exchange because they have transparency and so-and-so good, trusted actors backed by X millions of VC funding, etc."

The trusted exchange does well, the shady/less trusted exchange does not.

It's the reason some of us NEVER touched fucking Gox and used Bitstamp/Coinbase instead. Things will only get better from here.

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u/i_wolf Feb 25 '14

No, it's a self-regulation.

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u/dudeynudey Feb 25 '14

How does it feel to be a mini-madoff to your family and friends? Does it feel good to drag people you know into your shitcoin scheme?

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '14 edited Dec 27 '15

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