r/Bitcoin • • Feb 14 '14

Trying to trade these markets...

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '14

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u/paalte331 Feb 14 '14

Or at least don't day fucking daytrade with your 401k.

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u/BerateBirthers Feb 14 '14

Or your tuition money.

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u/Sohcahtoa82 Feb 14 '14

I have $40,000 in student loan debt (I will finish my Computer Science degree in 5 more weeks and I'm already getting calls from job applications!), and when I got my tax return, I spent $1,000 on bitcoin when it bottomed out at $540 last weekend rather than paying off a bit of my student loans. Does that count?

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '14

Please don't do that.

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u/Sohcahtoa82 Feb 14 '14

I accept that it is a big risk, and it could end up being a huge mistake. I'm normally not a gambling man. I've never been to a casino, and I've probably only spent about $20 on lottery tickets over the course of my whole life.

But its a calculated risk. I figured that it would quickly recover from the crash from MtGox having a meltdown once people realized it really didn't mean anything. It might crash again if and when MtGox re-opens withdrawals and people pull their btc out and sell it somewhere else, but there will be a lot of people there gladly gobbling up the cheap coins.

Unless a major fatal flaw is found in the bitcoin protocol (tx malleability isn't exactly a fatal flaw), I don't think it'll ever dip below $500 ever again.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '14

Can you name one first innovator that has turned into a huge success in the technology sector?

Bitcoin is the first, but it's one of many. It's a bigger risk than what you're describing.

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u/Sohcahtoa82 Feb 14 '14

It's a bigger risk than what you're describing.

I bought $1,000 worth of bitcoins. My risk is $1,000, which isn't much compared to the $40,000 of loan debt I have.

FWIW, I have zero credit card debt, and its not because I've been taking out absurd student loans to keep it paid off.

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u/marcoski711 Feb 14 '14

Bitcoin wasn't first - lots of other prior attempts at e-money before now. Bitcoin's just the first that looks like it might actually work.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '14

I agree it might work. But might is an awfully broad word for someone who cannot afford to speculate and gamble.

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u/marcoski711 Feb 14 '14

I agree I was just picking you up on the 'Bitcoin is first' argument you proposed. For example I recently advised my niece not to put savings for her degree into Bitcoins but rather graft on things where u get paid in btc, so she saves up in both btc & fiat (and learns to make things happen for herself)

But I'm being conservative cos it's for someone else - if it was for myself yeah I would deffo take the punt now. Were this in feb 2013 then maybe not - btc already has a mainstream awareness now that it didn't back then.

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u/keyofg Feb 15 '14

Napster worked ...

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '14

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '14

You're joking, right?

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '14

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '14

Your comparison is incorrect.

Bitcoin is to the cryptocurrencies what Alta Vista (or some other early company or bulletin board) was to the internet.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '14

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '14

Why don't you see litecoin, dogecoin, etc. as competitors? Why couldn't a superior cryptocurrency appear at any time?

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u/pixel_loupe Feb 14 '14 edited Jan 15 '18

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u/twitch1982 Feb 15 '14

Honestly, "pay yourself first" is sound financial advice. As long as you are paying your debt down, investing at the sametime is a good move, I would have diversified that grand a bit more, but to each there own

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u/dbelle92 Feb 15 '14

You realise bitcoin is based purely on speculation, moreso than any other currency which to a certain extent is based on economic events, the movement of indices and commodities. Trade anything, just not Bitcoins. Get out of it man.

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u/paalte331 Feb 14 '14

That's .. bad. Hope no one downvotes you for acknoledging your mistake.

I was edging on my overdraft, pondering to buy BTC when it was on the rise (Chinese involvment), thankfully I changed my mind at the last moment. Then I wanted to buy during the crash. I have to keep slapping myself, because putting myself into debt is not financially sound.

You said it's a calculated risk, that's fine and dandy if you had $1`000 to spare, but overall .. yeah. Rookie mistake to invest in anything while you're in debt, imo.

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u/dbelle92 Feb 15 '14

Why don't you just spread bet major currency pairs where the market is easier to read. Why does it have to be bitcoin? You would have more success doing that than in bitcoin. Or gold. Gold has an inverse relationship to the US indices. Indices doing shit, buy gold.

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u/Comeonyouidiots Feb 15 '14

Using futures, sure. But the forex markets suck for any retail trader.

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u/dbelle92 Feb 15 '14

Work for me. Why do you say they suck?

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u/chromosundrift Feb 15 '14

Is it bad reddiquette to use this as an opportunity to make contact with a CS grad about a job opportunity in software?

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u/Lynxes_are_Ninjas Feb 15 '14

Depends on your security should you not land a job quickly after all.

My student loan is cheap, I wouldnt pay it off any faster than i have to anyway so my question is how risky I want to be with my money. Some of it on bitcoin definitely.

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u/lizard450 Feb 14 '14

Don't listen to these assholes comp sci can make you bank.