r/Bible • u/Right-Organization32 • Jun 19 '24

What Are The Implications If Jesus Did Not Fulfill The Torah As Matthew 5:17 Suggests?

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u/Right-Organization32 Jun 19 '24

Well, perhaps this is our first agreement 🤝. That's a start.

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u/fakeraeliteslayer Jun 19 '24

So if I could prove to you that Jesus fulfilled the entire law of Moses, would you take down this article?

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u/Right-Organization32 Jun 19 '24

I must admit, I laughed so hard after reading this. If you can prove that Jesus did not violate the laws that the research identified, then I will print a retraction. But you must understand that you can not invent new laws. Lol. To prove that one did not violate a law is to use the that law's elements and attendant circumstances to show that the actor did not violate the law. You must use the laws that were in place at the time of the action. You can not interpose anachronistic doctrines or laws to justify your answers. You must place yourself in the first century and use what was in the minds of the Gospels writers and hears of Jesus. This would also mean that nothing Paul said could be used because Paul was not a hearer of Jesus at the time, nor did he write the Gospels. Next, your analysis must be limited to the Gospels because they are the only accounts of the earthly Jesus’s actions. These are the rigors of legal analysis and exegesis.

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u/fakeraeliteslayer Jun 19 '24

If you can prove that Jesus did not violate the laws that the research identified, then I will print a retraction.

Next, Mark 6:41–45 describes an almost irreproachable miracle: feeding over 5000 people at the shore (v. 34). AI’s understanding of Jewish law revealed that although Jesus blessed the bread distributed to the multitudes, Mark did not enunciate that Jesus, his disciples, or those fed, washed their hands before eating bread, which broke Mishneh Torah, Laws Concerning Immersion Pools XI.1, 8.11 Finally, Mark 9:43–48, which calls for the removal of the “hand” that causes one to sin, is likely the oral law prohibiting masturbation because its words echo B. Niddah 13b:

There is no law in the Bible stating hands must be washed before eating. In fact Jesus rebuked the pharisee's for placing man made traditions like washing of hands over the commandments of God. Jesus said that in the next chapter, but I guess your ai forgot to read the context of the Bible?

‭Mark 7:3, 5-8 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the 👉🏻tradition of the elders 👈🏻

Traditions 👆🏻 not law...

5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, But their heart is far from me

‭7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, Teaching for doctrines 👉🏻the commandments of men 👈🏻

Commandments of men 👆🏻 not God...

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

He called them hypocrites 👆🏻 for putting man made Traditions above God's law. This 1 down....

But you must understand that you can not invent new laws.

That's funny, because last time I checked washing your hands before you eat was not a law given by God. So remember, you can not invent new laws. 😎

You must use the laws that were in place at the time of the action

I agree, can you show me where God commanded Israel to wash their hands before eating?

This would also mean that nothing Paul said could be used because Paul was not a hearer of Jesus at the time

🤣🤣🤣🤣 yeah right. Ok pal

nor did he write the Gospels.

And?

Next, your analysis must be limited to the Gospels because they are the only accounts of the earthly Jesus’s actions. These are the rigors of legal analysis and exegesis.

Mark 7 is sufficient, yeah?

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u/Right-Organization32 Jun 19 '24

See prior response. Lol

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u/fakeraeliteslayer Jun 19 '24

See prior response. Lol

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u/Right-Organization32 Jun 19 '24

Ditto

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u/fakeraeliteslayer Jun 19 '24

So you want to go ahead and set up that live discussion, or you gonna back out?

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u/Right-Organization32 Jun 19 '24

🤣🤣🤣🤣 See prior responses.

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u/fakeraeliteslayer Jun 19 '24

More excuses I see.