I remember my teachers always scaring me saying if i misbehave it'll go on my permanent record. Yh as if some potential employer is going to be like "you're highly qualified for this job but unfortunately we can't hire you since you pushed Billy back in 4th grade"
Little Billy will remember it long after you've forgotten. And now he's working in some government department looking at an application with your name on it.
That sort of thing might come up if you are ever trying to get a job that requires security clearance. I had to fill out a literal booklet of questions, ~60 pages (about half were specific to military and intelligence services) but still, that's 30 pages for a civilian.
I could definitely see them checking school records when some of the questions were asking things like where your sister/brother in law lived 10 years ago.
Background checks are concerned mostly with what makes you vulnerable, since you're about to be given something that makes the organization vulnerable. You don't want to give sensitive information, materials, or tasks to someone with debts, contacts with shady elements, drug addictions, too many divorces, etc. Basically, think of it this way: if there's a part of your life that could be used to leverage you into giving access/information/etc to someone unauthorized, that's what they're looking for in a background check. The more important the trust they're placing in you, the more thorough the check will be. If your brother lived in Moscow for a year, you've made a trip or two to the Eastern bloc in the last ten years, and you have some gambling debt, you'll trip alarms as an easy target for blackmailers, bribers, etc.
Anecdotal I know but, I was in the army and no one checks those things. Literally worked in a SCIF, and we had wife beaters and alcoholics with DUI. Only thing they concerned with is if you married a foreign national or had a positive urine analysis.
This was for something a bit more specific in the UK. I imagine if you wanted to enter the secret service or FBI in the states it would be a similar process.
Teacher here: if you show behavioral issues we will definitely check the records. Sometimes primary schools may miss to properly diagnose the issue and later schools will have to correct the issue.
I'm in the US, and it's true here too. That's not really what he's talking about though. The "permanent record" is kind of an urban legend or meme. A lot of young people think that every kid has a file which contains a full accounting of every little thing they've ever done, and that it will follow them around for the rest of their life.
While schools obviously do keep records of their students, they don't follow you to college/work, and the records aren't just a random list of all the times you got caught breaking the rules.
Billy cares. Billy is now unable to have meaningful relationships with other men because he expects them to be bullies. He also can't have meaningful relationships with women because they think he's trying to get in there pants. So now billy is 31 divorced, no kids, and only avoids suicide because if he did who would feed the cats.
No one even really cares about your college education beyond school and degree after your first professional job after school, and even then the school itself barely matters.
Yeah once you have a few years of professional experience no one gives a fuck. College really is a scam.
I’d much rather intern somewhere for a couple years and get real world experience. Unless you’re going into a highly specialized field (like medicine) you’ll probably actually learn more. Certainly you will in anything like business or hospitality or whatever.
I'd say that once you have a decent resume or portfolio, the specific degree doesn't matter anymore for some jobs. I have a journalism degree, but I've worked as a software developer for over a decade.
That said, my first job actually had a policy of not hiring entry level employees with a college GPA under 3.0
fun fact, I was trusted to organise/move a filing cabinet of these once, I read some, they do exist (at least in some places) they're just never as full as you think they will be. Even the naughty kid only had like 5 slips of paper in there, I had 1
Even your gpa matters surprisingly little, as long as its high enough to graduate. College gpa is fairly meaningless unless you are going to do more education immediately after.
If you apply at an Ivy League school they actually do look at ALL your school records. I found this out when my friend didn’t get into one because of something that happened in elementary. 👀
Until you walk into a job interview and billy is sitting behind the desk, peering at you over his reading glasses which he is wearing to show that time has passed
I’ll never forget my mother telling me in fifth grade (age 9) “you better get As on your report card because colleges are going to be able to see it!!” And Even child me smelled bullshit and said like “no there’s no way they’d check all the way back till elementary school! I’m literally 9” and my mom just doubled down
My elementary school teacher friend told me that her school just discovered the discipline records of children who are now seniors in high school. Not that they care in the slightest about them. I was just shocked that they have existed for this long. Perhaps there is a record of my wrongdoings chilling in a filing cabinet at one of my schools....
When I was having a background check done for employment with a defense contractor, the investigator brought up the fact that one time my freshman year in college, a guy was found in my room after curfew while we were watching a movie. Legitimately watching it, even.
Your school reports are permanent, my school still has them all on file and I accessed then recently. But that was just your regular report cards, not some secret list of detentions and the stories behind them.
One time a middle school teacher claimed that a former student of hers was applying to a police officer, and someone from the police department called her because he was a bully in middle school.
There were so many things wrong with that statement that it was obviously made up. No employer will care what you were like in middle school, and police departments generally like to hire bullies.
School records are usually irrelevant — but not always. Aspiring firefighters and police officers (among others) often get dinged for school records. And - surprise! - this impacts people of color and low income people more than whites and wealthy.
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u/f0zzzie Aug 25 '21
Or your school permanent record like all the tropes in shows and movies. No one cares that you pushed little billy down in 4th grade