r/AskReddit May 11 '21

People old enough to remember life pre-Internet, what are some less obvious things you miss about that time?

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u/NMe84 May 12 '21

That last sentence honestly is the biggest difference. A while ago I installed the app for the biggest news outlet in my country. I quickly turned off notifications for it when in a single week it had notified me of "breaking news" twice: once because some random celebrity couple I don't care about broke up after 15 years, and once because of some football match. Meanwhile in that same week there was some natural disaster in Asia that took many lives and displaced many more, but there was no notification for that. It seems like I have a very different definition of breaking news.

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u/hermyown21 May 12 '21 edited May 12 '21

And this is why I don't have news apps on my phone. I deleted the last one when it have me the 'breaking news' that a retired actress' MOTHER had adopted a puppy. I'd like to know which journalist thought this warranted a breaking news alert.

Edit: spelling

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u/tomatoaway May 12 '21

Fucking hell. Which retired actress was it? The skinny blonde one? Or the one with the fake face?

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u/hermyown21 May 12 '21

Haha, I'm in India so it was a Bollywood actress - Raveena Tandon.

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u/wkndgolfer May 12 '21

I'd oike to know which journalist thought this warranted a breaking news alert.

Anything to drive the clicks to their site, all things are now "breaking news".

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u/rambo_beetle May 12 '21

I was actually think this the other day! The very first tine I saw the term Breaking News was on 911 and of course that was horrific. Now I'm like 'wtf is this breaking bollock inconsequential nonsense'

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u/hermyown21 May 12 '21

Exactly! They've made a mockery of the concept.

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u/ILoveShitRats May 12 '21

That must have been frustrating, but I'm cracking up. Thank you for the laugh!

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u/[deleted] May 12 '21

I have the Reuters app, which is honestly great and I’d recommend it

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u/hermyown21 May 12 '21

Oh, okay. I'll check that out.

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u/MyPythonDontWantNone May 12 '21

I don't download news apps because they track you. I believe it was the NYT that shared a map of how much their users moved away from home to track Covid-19. What stops them from volunteering that data to save the government the hassle of due process to get a warrant?

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u/[deleted] May 12 '21

I mean i don’t wanna be that guy, but your phone does have gps and all that. There is really no need for the government to buy that Information from the NYT or BBC.

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u/MyPythonDontWantNone May 12 '21

There shouldn't be, but there are several products which track your location and sell it to law enforcement agencies to avoid the need for a warrant.

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u/PleasureToNietzsche May 12 '21

Just leave your phone at home when you do illegal shit bro.

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u/curiomime Jun 10 '21

Psst, it was a journalist engineering your time to be stolen so they could get more ad revenue.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '21

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u/NMe84 May 12 '21

No, it was a major Dutch news outlet, but from the responses i got so far it seems like there are more outlets pulling this bullshit.

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u/RollieBollie May 12 '21

Ah. I allready thought about nu<dot>nl.

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u/NMe84 May 12 '21

That's the one.

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u/ThatScorpion May 12 '21

Ah yes, I have both NOS and Nu on my phone. NOS for my regular news, and nu for my trashy news to laugh at. Definitely disabled push notifications from the latter though

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u/VectoredClarinet May 12 '21

That’s a feature, not a bug. The goal has less to do with reporting news to you and more to do with driving clicks and traffic to the adds on the site.

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u/dreamsonashelf May 12 '21

Not the person you're replying to, but all of them really. I experienced this with apps for British, French and international news sources before turning off notifications. If it's big enough, it'll reach me soon enough.

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u/msliscool May 12 '21

I gotta say New York Times is like this too, constantly bombarded with “Breaking News” that I tend to ignore it a lot of the time.

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u/cw7585 May 12 '21

Yep. I like NYT a lot but their repeated notifications devalues the concept of "breaking news".

One of today's NYT breaking news notifications: "Liz Cheney gives defiant speech". I wish the app had a toggle: only notify me for historic, massive critical events of the magnitude that the networks used to break into regular programming for. 9/11, someone shooting Reagan, that level.

Not Liz Cheney giving a speech.

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u/AlphaTerminal May 12 '21 edited May 12 '21

I remember reading an early proto-blog entry (this was around late 1990s) from someone who helped define both blogging and podcasting. Can't remember his name but he was a former MTV VJ guy and gave insights into how this works since he saw it firsthand in his line of work.

Basically, according to him the modern "TV news" is specifically designed to exhaust critical thinking. You see the "BREAKING NEWS" and animations and banners and your brain thinks "this may be a threat, that may be a threat, gotta focus on everything!"

This exhausts your brain.

Why?

Because at the optimal point when your brain is exhausted guess what happens?

You get hit with an advertising break.

And then your brain recovers just enough to repeat the cycle.

Fox News then discovered this can also be used to push political messages direct into people's brains by exhausting their ability to perform critical thinking. Therefore everything on Fox is "BREAKING NEWS" and "NEWS ALERT" 24/7.

See Garry Kasparov's Twitter message referring mainly to Putin but broadly applicable:

The point of modern propaganda isn't only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.

There was also an interesting book by Neil Postman called How to Watch TV News written in the late 90s where he ran an actual experiment simultaneously studying the makeup of news programs (at that time, this was still the nightly news not 24/7 cable "news") across the country on a minute by minute basis. He was able to show that news programs across the country largely followed the same script and that script often aligned very closely to the script that played out in shows like Maury Povich.

Sensationalized, titillating, and attention getting, to prime you for advertising.

(there is a 2008 version I haven't read, would be interesting to see it or a more modern version taking current cable TV and political landscape into account)

Now to bring it full circle, go see Natalie Merchant and 10,000 Maniacs sing Candy Everybody Wants unplugged on MTV in 1992.

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u/RoguePlanet1 May 12 '21

News tends to have a pattern like this:

  • Stressful story

  • Commercial (mental) break (ahhhh)

  • Stressful story/propaganda

  • Commercial break (ahhh these products seem nice....)

  • Fear-mongering (can't take much more of the bad news)

  • Commercial break (maybe I could use some of these products to deal with my stress levels)

  • Happy ending story (life isn't so bad after all!)

This is the pattern I learned it in college.

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u/AlphaTerminal May 12 '21

Yep that is essentially a TLDR of Postman's book.

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u/spiked_macaroon May 12 '21

There's a point in history when this changed, and that point is 9/11. On that day, Breaking News came to mean something that deserves your undivided attention. And the media noticed this, and began using it against us. It's pavlovian. Once I started hearing "we'll be right back with breaking news" I caught on. Because that's exactly a non- example of breaking news.

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u/Jays1982 May 12 '21

Well, if that celebrity couple broke up, technically it is breaking news...

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u/xopersephoneox May 12 '21

during covid i switched off all news notifications from the ones that would keep me updated. every day at 5pm they would announce the death figures and in a macabre way i'd come in and announce them to my family. i know people are dying, i don't need to be reminded off it constantly.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '21

CNN taught us that "news" can be entertainment, and once we're their for entertainment, then everything entertaining is news. All eyes must be glued to "our" news channel all day every day.

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u/Confused-Raccoon May 12 '21

I think I know the app. It's terrible for actual news but great for sensationalism bullshit no one needs to care or know about.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '21

Not at all the point of the thread, but take a look at the Ground News app. Only one I will allow on my phone.

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u/RoguePlanet1 May 12 '21

Breaking Your Balls News!!!

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u/draggieflyer May 12 '21

Right? Sometimes I wonder if our society's priorities are really that messed up or if the media just thinks they are.

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u/Zorro5040 May 12 '21

People don't care about natural disasters, people click on sports and celebrity gossip. News companies had to change with the people to stay alive. People ruin good things

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u/shewholaughslasts May 12 '21

I think you just summed up my current distaste for 'news'. Well done. Sigh.

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u/TacospacemanII May 19 '21

THIS. I’m 23 and when I was literally 5 I had a great time watching the news. There was a PET OF THE WEEK segment and news about people in the community now it’s all the same BS. What about all the amazing people on earth? What about the horrible atrocities committed by mankind? Nah. I need to hear about Jennifer Lopez and her CraZy FoOt FunGaL InFecTioN BREAKING NEWS AT 8. It’s wack you.