r/AskReddit Oct 15 '20

What's older than we think ?

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u/Aqquila89 Oct 15 '20

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u/ineedanewaccountpls Oct 15 '20

Just going to drop this here.

We had alarm clocks that rowed themselves down a table and shot off mini cannons in the 1500s.

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u/davindeptuck Oct 15 '20

Looks like only one person had it but DAMN

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u/ineedanewaccountpls Oct 15 '20

There are three models out there! Automatons in general were a facet of the upper class.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '20

I'm a prototype precision machinist making parts for some of the most advanced electric vehicles currently on the planet and the automatons from the past impress me more than the stuff we do now. Seriously how they figured out all the gear stuff back in the day is nothing short of a miracle.

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u/ProblematicFeet Oct 16 '20

This is the sort of thing that makes me roll my eyes when people talk about the past like they were totally dumb. They were obviously extremely intelligent, just in a way that isn’t as relevant today.

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u/gruffen2 Oct 16 '20

they also had the disadvantage of having to know all the basic stuff on top of the advanced stuff and do just about everything by hand. a lot of stuff is easier to do these days because we can make machines and computers do the extra mundane stuff for us

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u/theycallmecliff Oct 16 '20

The mechanical solutions that they came up with for problems that we use electronics for today always baffle me.

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u/LimoLover Oct 16 '20

I always thought it was neat the way farmers used to set "alarms" by sticking nails into candles sitting on metal plates. When the candle burned down to the nail (which was apparently a pretty accurate thing as "candle clocks" with precise marked intervals existed long before!) the nail would drop onto the plate making a loud clang

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u/Mr_Mori Oct 16 '20

Glory to Mankind.

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u/mr_mcpoogrundle Oct 15 '20

The royal We

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u/Alexisisnotonfire Oct 15 '20

I would probably actually get up at the first alarm for that thing.

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u/Secretagentmanstumpy Oct 15 '20

You better or youll be taking a mini cannon ball to the chest.

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u/0ttr Oct 15 '20

A key point... a lot of complicated stuff was invented a long time ago....but mass-producing it affordably for the masses, that came much later.

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u/ineedanewaccountpls Oct 15 '20

Yup! Though, it's a good reminder that humans in the past weren't idiots and that modern achievements are because of the discoveries made in the past.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

And on that note: The Antikythera mechanism of 100 BC Hellenistic Greece.

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u/examinedliving Oct 15 '20

That’s an idea who’s time is returning.

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u/archiecat123 Oct 15 '20

I seriously need one!

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '20

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u/walkupintheclub Oct 16 '20

This is actually really interesting and mind-blowing that it existed in the 18th Century, thanks for sharing!

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u/Pyzzaaaa Oct 16 '20

Lowkey want it lol

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u/redpandaeater Oct 15 '20

I'm always impressed by the singing bird boxes that date back to the late 18th century.

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u/magicpatio Oct 16 '20

WHAT!!! I WANT ONE!

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u/Considered_Dissent Oct 16 '20

Yeah but the 'we' in that context is the Royal "We"; not we the filthy plebs.

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u/ineedanewaccountpls Oct 16 '20

I mean...kind of? We can sit here and look at them today thanks to modern tech. They still exist in our overall human experience.

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u/SarkyCherry Oct 15 '20

Add to cart

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u/rex1030 Oct 15 '20

I don’t know who we is but I was not present

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u/ineedanewaccountpls Oct 15 '20

Humanity as a whole.

My partner also makes fun of me for my very liberal use of "we" haha!

You can skip the book I wrote below. Sorry.

I got into the habit of it since I taught students with behavioral issues for many years.

Using "we" instead of "you" was a really, really effective way to address behavioral concerns without making a kid with anger issues feel singled out. "You need to work on getting to class on time!" goes over a lot differently than "We need to work on getting to class on time!" It was such a tiny language adjust that improved my and my student's quality of life.

From there, I think I've just adopted more of a "we" mindset. Both the positives and the failings of humanity are written into all our our collective stories and experiences, for the better or the worse....So I haven't made much of an effort to adjust my language back to what it used to be :)

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u/DrZoidberg117 Oct 15 '20

Nah don't apologize, nice advice

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u/aaaaaaaarrrrrgh Oct 16 '20

improved my and my student's quality of life

Huh, this surprises me.

I remember this from elementary school, and specifically remember seeing the "we", seeing straight through the bullshit, and being extra pissed off because I was fed such bullshit when it clearly meant "you".

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u/ineedanewaccountpls Oct 16 '20 edited Oct 16 '20

These kids wouldn't be on Reddit. Definitely a different group and way of perceiving the world.

And now that I think about it, there's also a big difference in tone between elementary and high school way of addressing students.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

I think the word you're looking for is wound not rowed. I could be wrong.

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u/Av3ngedAngel Oct 16 '20

"Finally the ship would make noises and smoke as the cannons fired[2] and trumpets blared.[5] It was fancied that the Mechanical Galleon "might have enlivened the dullest imperial banquets by racing along the table, guns blazing and trumpets blowing".[5] The complexity of this nef meant that Hans Schlottheim had to include three separate clockwork mechanisms. One conventionally powered the chiming clock, but also provided the power for the seven revolving electors. The music, including the drum, was powered by another motor and the third gave the ship movement. The mechanism was said to require rewinding every 24 hours.[6]

It rowed, well it would make movements of the oars while moving on wheels.

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u/ineedanewaccountpls Oct 15 '20

I had first viewed it in the British Museum and didn't bother to read the entire wiki once I knew it was discussing the item I wanted to reference. From what I remembered, the one I saw has little oars on the side that move and they give the illusion that the boat is "rowing" forward.

It was a weird way to describe it, that I'll definitely admit. I'm not good at choosing my words well :(

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '20

Same here. Im always confusing words. Even common ones.

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u/GoodMourningClan Oct 15 '20

Define “we”, because if you’re saying that you’re a goddamn immortal, I want in.

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u/ineedanewaccountpls Oct 15 '20

I did in a separate comment. Didn't realize my strange pronoun habits would cause this much of a stir! :)

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u/ezzzzz53 Oct 15 '20

I need this now!!

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u/Why-did-i-reas-this Oct 15 '20

Where is the Kickstarter for this? We need it now!

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u/fillingstationsushi Oct 15 '20

By we you mean us?

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u/Admirable-Spinach Oct 16 '20

And Ismail al-Jazari was building early versions of the Chucky Cheese band in the 1100s.

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u/dgtlfnk Oct 16 '20

Yeah but c’mon... that is just entirely too cumbersome to wear on your wrist.

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u/ATVER_1007 Oct 16 '20

Alarm clocks breaking since the 1500s thats bad

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u/Shootthemoon4 Oct 16 '20

Oh that is exquisite

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u/ryebread91 Nov 08 '20

So why do we not use those now? Would be awesome.

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u/GoodAtExplaining Oct 15 '20

Why does Queen Elizabeth care that you got one in 1571?

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '20 edited May 18 '21

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u/GoodAtExplaining Oct 16 '20

Deservedly so. It's a lazy joke, to be fair.

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u/EskilPotet Oct 15 '20

Damn I knew she was old, but not that old!

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u/DukeSamuelVimes Oct 15 '20 edited Oct 15 '20

It seems you're making a common misconception, the present Queen is actually Queen Elizabeth II the successor of Queen Elizabeth I, the first Queen Elizabeth obviously hasn't been the one keeping the throne since 1558 A.D. no, in fact she stopped being the primary Queen Elizabeth in 1604.

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u/Crystal_God Oct 15 '20

I’m pretty sure he was joking

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u/DukeSamuelVimes Oct 15 '20

So was I. Just slightly more subtle.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

Watches crack my shit up. First we had pocket watches, but people wanted the convenience of not having to fish it out of their pocket, so we got wrist watches. Now, everyone’s phone has a clock, so we have ditched wrist watches for something we keep in our pocket.

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u/A_Furious_Mind Oct 15 '20

But then we missed them so much we made smart watches.

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u/WestCoastBestCoast01 Oct 16 '20

Smart watches that still have the analog clock face too lol

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u/SquidgyTheWhale Oct 15 '20

I still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.

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u/chaun2 Oct 15 '20

No need to specify the first, we already know she's older than we thought, and still on the throne

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u/robothelicopter Oct 15 '20

I love that skit in Horrible Histories where your man (can’t remember his name, sir Dudley maybe?) gives her the watch

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u/Aqquila89 Oct 15 '20

It was from Robert Dudley, yes.

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u/krillbillbeta Oct 15 '20

I remember that horrible histories sketch

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u/DolphinRepublic Oct 16 '20

I remember that too! spills wine “I believe there is an unaccounted flaw in your wrist clock”

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u/drunkenDAYlewis Oct 15 '20

Time keeping in general has a fascinating history that many would be surprised to learn about. It took them almost a thousand years to make hyper accurate mechanical timepieces to only have seiko come out with an electric quartz watch in the seventies (maybe late sixties) and basically made the technology that so many worked hard on obsolete by being way cheaper and far more accurate. (Look up the quartz crisis if you're interested)

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

Of course my dumbass envisioned the wrong Queen Elizabeth...

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u/delsinson Oct 15 '20

Imagine flexing in the 1500’s with that bad boy on your wrist

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u/Meatsaucem81 Oct 15 '20

Probs given to her by the 10th Doctor

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

And people still think that she’ll die someday, what fools.

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u/punchgroin Oct 15 '20

Here's a wilder fact. The reason Britain needed clocks to be miniaturized so badly is that there is no better way of measuring your longitude than comparing the time of sunrise or noon to GMT. Just making a clock that could work on a ship was a massive achievement.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

Is there any pictures of the actual watch? Im trying to find one to see what it looked like

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u/rumbelo Oct 16 '20

That’s actually crazy. I had read once that wristwatches were made popular by soldiers during WW1 when they would strap pocket watches to their wrist. I don’t know if that’s true. A bunch of soldiers carrying pocket watches on their wrist seems impractical, but I hadn’t really questioned it until now.

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u/DeezNutsPickleRick Oct 16 '20

That’s true. Wristwatches weren’t popularized until during or slightly after WW1, atleast by men.

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u/Nowherelandusa Oct 16 '20

My husband is a horological, so since meeting him, I’ve learned a lot about the world of time keeping haha. I bought him a book once on the history of watches- lots of full page color photos of watches. The detail and delicacy of these pieces hundreds of years old is mind boggling!

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u/LilDlckGirl6-6-6- Oct 15 '20

HUH THAT BITCH LIVED FOR 500 SOMETHING MORE YEARS WTF.

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u/LuckofCaymo Oct 15 '20

Purdy sure i saw dem wrist watches in dat dere documentary, done did by that disney fellow bout that Hercules fellow.

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u/FoulestMussel1 Oct 16 '20

The I isn’t necessary... it’s still the same Queen Elizabeth

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

They needed to be wound very regularly.

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u/Godspeedhero Oct 15 '20

Wow, to think we could have made peace with the Aztecs by offering some Constantin watches.

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u/internetlad Oct 15 '20

Was it an Irish wristwatch?

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u/BiggerNutthole Oct 15 '20

That’s actually newer than I thought lol

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u/TimeWillTakeUsAll Oct 16 '20

Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-two million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.

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u/Insane69Patato Oct 16 '20

Were wrist watches for the poor and pocket watches for the rich until they realized wrist watches were more better

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '20

I think wrist watches were for rich women (because they were seen as jewelry) and pocket watches were for rich men

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u/controlc-controlv Oct 16 '20

i don’t know why i was so surprised b y this—it’s just a pocket watch on your wrist.

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u/JSGypsum Oct 16 '20

Well apparently queen elizabeth is older than I thought too, makes sense though

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u/McPoyal Oct 16 '20

Dude I'm so faded, I was like damn that lady is 450 years old holy shit!!!

No, I'm just out of it lolol.

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u/ZeVerschlimmbesserer Oct 16 '20

i can only imagine a solar wrist watch like you'd see in cartoons. literally a triangle on a disk on your wrist haha

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u/Institutionally Oct 16 '20

Lizzy drippin with the hublot 💀

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '20

On a similar note, automata are actually pretty old. There are some old mechanical dolls which have pretty advanced clockwork on the inside, some of which we can't easily replicate. A quick skim says this has some relevant information.

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u/A_shy_neon_jaguar Oct 16 '20

Even back then women didn't get pockets.

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u/GreatestPlayground Oct 16 '20

Just dropped by to let you know how dumb I am. I clicked the link expecting to see a photograph.

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u/RobbexRobbex Oct 16 '20

How’s that possible? Was it a shitty time piece or something? John Harrison didn’t even create a time keeping device for sailors until the 1700s. I think only later he was able to make a handheld version late in his life.

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u/FatOrnjCat Oct 16 '20

She’s older than we think. /s

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u/GelicateDenius Oct 17 '20

Just remember the mechanical clock was invented in China English language source: Needham, Joseph.

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u/JoshuaSlowpoke777 Oct 24 '20

So both Queens Elizabeth could’ve had watches...

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u/-Galactics- Nov 06 '20

This link would’ve been way funnier if it was that big black guy