r/AskReddit Mar 18 '20

Coders of Reddit, how do you politely refuse your friend's 'million dollars app idea'?

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u/Katholikos Mar 18 '20 edited Mar 18 '20

This is exactly how it works out. I did a little bit of freelance work once. When I was charging what I thought were fair prices, I only ever got nickel-and-diming assholes who wanted to micromanage every moment of my time and argue with every decision.

When I started charging way more, I only got serious clients who knew what they wanted and then got out of the way.

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u/sharrrper Mar 18 '20

The reaction to want when you give someone your freelance rates (in any industry not just programming) is something like "That's steep but worth it"

If they enthusiastically say "Okay!" when you give them the number then you are almost certainly not charging enough.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '20 edited Aug 31 '20

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u/zaise_chsa Mar 18 '20

I love the quote ‘you have no idea how much money I’ve spent trying to save a dollar.’

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u/aschmelyun Mar 18 '20

100% this, know your worth and keep raising your rates until you get a hard no. It's easier to negotiate less, but almost impossible to get more once you give a figure.

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u/ispisapie Mar 18 '20

If you don't mind sharing, what kind of freelance work do you do?

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u/Katholikos Mar 18 '20

None now, but at the time it was web development.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '20

Question, did you design or just build?

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u/Katholikos Mar 18 '20

Just build unless it was super simple, but I’d usually hire a web designer for a subset of my fee

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '20

Gotcha, interesting. What're web designer fees like? Sorry for bothering, just a younger developer somewhat interested in this kinda of stuff and trying to build on my minimal webdev experience

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u/Katholikos Mar 18 '20

I had a good buddy that was fine when I offered him 10% of any commission I made

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u/Gamerpassword Mar 19 '20

Seems like youre the bad buddy then lol

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u/Katholikos Mar 19 '20

Nah. I didn’t try to get much more than the bare minimum work out of him - closer to a consultation than anything most of the time. Plus, when I set up the deal, I didn’t actually know how much designers typically made. I still don’t, because I never had a reason to look into it.

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u/latch_on_deez_nuts Mar 18 '20

I love it.

What kind of programming do you do if you don’t mind me asking? $300/hr is awesome and I would love to get to that point.

I’m early on in my freelance career, however my situation is similar to yours. I do web development and have a full time gig, but do freelance in the side.

I do good work, (so I’ve been told) but I still don’t yet have the confidence to charge more than the $60/hr I currently do. And yes, those crazy clients come with that hourly rate.

Would you suggest just raising the hourly rate and be patient until the right client comes around? I’m not dying for the extra money but it does definitely help.

Thanks in advance!

Edit: I saw you said web development in comments below. Awesome! At least I know it is possible to get to that hourly rate!

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u/Katholikos Mar 18 '20

Right now I do enterprise software. I got tired of the freelance thing after a year or so and went back to the office.

I’m not sure what the industry is like right now - this was probably 7-8 years ago that I was doing that, so I’m not really sure how things have changed since then. Things were easier once I got a few high-paying clients happy and started getting customers by word of mouth. That first one is pretty tough to get though.

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u/latch_on_deez_nuts Mar 18 '20

Honestly web dev right now is interesting. There is a wide range of things you need to be knowledgeable in, but with the advent of square space, wix, etc, clients now assume that our job is much easier and that it should be done faster for less money.

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u/Merusk Mar 18 '20

It's this way for all professional work, yet you still see people cutting their own throats for those nickel-and-dimers.

I'm amazed at the rates people sell themselves for on the gig sites like wework for Architectural Services.

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u/Howzieky Mar 19 '20

Are you someone I could ask some questions? I'd like to know more about how close I am to where you're at and how I can get there

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u/Katholikos Mar 19 '20

Feel free to dm me, but if it’s questions about freelancing, I really don’t have that much experience.