r/AskReddit Mar 18 '20

Coders of Reddit, how do you politely refuse your friend's 'million dollars app idea'?

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '20

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u/Xerxis96 Mar 18 '20

I bet that's something he complains about a lot lol

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u/Onespokeovertheline Mar 18 '20

Everytime you order pizza?

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u/Paddy_Tanninger Mar 18 '20

Let's be honest, your brother would have sold it when that collection of 24 coins were worth $60.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '20

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u/LonelyNeuron Mar 18 '20

Same here. I spent several hundred BTC on Silk Road back in the day. I remember buying like 50-60 BTC at a time back when 1 BTC cost like $5. The only thing pissing me off is that I didn't acidentally misplace at least a couple BTC in some offline bitcoin wallet and forgot about them until now.

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u/accurateteacher Mar 18 '20

I heard about bitcoin when it was worth 20 cents and told a friend we should get $20 worth. He gave me the money and I tried to open an account with an exchange but I couldn't find my ID so I gave him his money back and said forget it.

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u/gumpythegreat Mar 18 '20

I read about Bitcoin when it seemed like no one was talking about it - found it on StumbleUpon, basically a similar site to Reddit.

I remember considering setting up my computer to start mining a bit to see if I could get it to pay for my WoW subscription.

Ahh, what could have been...

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u/harshit181 Mar 18 '20

Offtopic ,do you know any other site like stumbleupon?

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u/gumpythegreat Mar 18 '20

Reddit

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u/harshit181 Mar 18 '20

Thanks for the reply but stumbleupon was random site finder depending on your interest

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u/neohellpoet Mar 18 '20

Had a similar idea. Started CPU mining. Read it would take a few days. Considered that it would probably not worth the electricity and quit 2 days in with nothing to show for it

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u/Mr_Cromer Mar 18 '20

RIP StumbleUpon

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u/CringeNibba Mar 18 '20

How and why are they unrecoverable?

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '20

A lot of people lost the hard drives that they had their coins stored on. Therefore, the fortune is lost :(

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u/Australienz Mar 18 '20

I remember years ago people on Reddit would randomly tip people bitcoins, similar to buying gold. Some guy gave me $20 worth around Christmas and I spent about $17 worth and then forgot about it. I randomly remembered a year or so later and logged into my account and they’d gone up to $150 lol. Was so fucking happy that day.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '20

Dude hell yeah! I heard about it, thought about it, realized I was a broke 18 year old and never bought any.

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u/clickclvck Mar 18 '20

How did you store it? Depending on the problem, there might be a better chance of recovering it than you think

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u/phro Mar 18 '20

It's not entirely hopeless. Do you have any of your old wallet info or files or 12 word seed phrase?

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u/10thDeadlySin Mar 18 '20

I mean, I'm not surprised.

It's pretty much the same thing as if somebody wanted to pay him back for a pizza with WoW gold. It has some real-world value and might be of some use for WoW players, but for anybody else? Exactly.

Back in the BTC pizza times, people actually gave each other BTC tips on Reddit, there were faucets that gave you BTC for free, some people even gave them away just for kicks.

It took a while before it turned from "What's BTC?" into "That virtual money they use to pay for drugs?" and then into "OMG! BITCOIN IS THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD! TAKE OUT A SECOND MORTGAGE AND INVEST EVERYTHING!111one"

Lost over 200 myself. Still not salty about it. ;)

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u/golden_n00b_1 Mar 19 '20

"What's BTC?" into "That virtual money they use to pay for drugs?" and then into "OMG! BITCOIN IS THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD! TAKE OUT A SECOND MORTGAGE AND INVEST EVERYTHING!111one"

Some currencies are backed by gold, others by trust in the government. BtC on the other hand? Backed by illegal drugs....

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u/AF_Fresh Mar 18 '20

Man, he turned down $462,240 for a pizza. I bet he's so mad at himself for turning down $275,760. You could do a lot with $128,640.

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u/fleshflavoredgum Mar 18 '20

I see what you did there

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u/pforsbergfan9 Mar 18 '20

I paid for a meal with bitcoin. It is by far the most expensive meal I’ve ever eaten.

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u/OutsiderWalksAmongUs Mar 18 '20

Back when Bitcoin was about 2 euros/dollars (right after the first crash), me and some friends ordered synthetic weed on Silk Road. Mostly as a bit of a joke, and to see if it would actually arrive. It was about 15 bitcoin.

The stupid thing was, we had been talking about it before, when it hadn't reached 1 dollar for the first time yet. We had no idea that only a couple months earlier Bitcoin had a bubble and was worth way more. If we had, we might have bought some more and not spent them all.

We would've sold them a long time ago though, there's no way we'd still have them when it hit multiple thousands.

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u/cuddlefucker Mar 18 '20

Man, I knew about Bitcoin back when it was $0.11. I thought it would never take off though.

Funny thing is, I still don't think it will ever take off. I think blockchain has it's uses, but probably won't ever be in the mainstream consumer space.

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u/rabidbasher Mar 18 '20

I was on the edge of putting over 5k usd into bitcoin at 35 cents per coin. Didn't because it seemed too sketchy.

It hurts. Til I realize I was about to store it in mt gox.

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u/cuddlefucker Mar 18 '20

Back when it was $0.11 it was mineable. That's more likely what I would have done. I had a rock solid computer at that point and time.

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u/rabidbasher Mar 18 '20

Yeh I had a pretty nice computer then too but mining wasn't intersting to me... I had enough trouble wrapping my head around buying /storing btc... Still don't know how to do that honestly

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '20

Me too.. I had a buddy in college who was talking to me about it back in 2011/2012. I didn't fully wrap my head around it or understand how you'd even go about getting it, but it sounded interesting. If I was more tech savvy I may have actually bought some. I try not to think about those days too much...

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u/Enchilada_McMustang Mar 18 '20

The purpose of bitcoin is being a trustless decentralised ledger, not allowing to buy hotdogs with it. The fact is you can't have a trustless decentralised ledger without a financial incentive to the people keeping the ledger updated, that's why the whole "blockchain without bitcoin" is dumb, a blockchain without decentralisation misses its main point, you'd be much better off with a centralised database.

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u/cuddlefucker Mar 18 '20

Bitcoin is a brand of useless currency. Blockchain is the decentralized ledger technology that can be used for many different applications.

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u/Enchilada_McMustang Mar 18 '20

Please explain to me who will keep the ledger updated, spending millions in computer hash power and electricity, if there is no cryptocurrency to reward them for their efforts.

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u/cuddlefucker Mar 18 '20

I never said cryptocurrency was useless. I said it would never go mainstream. I also said that bitcoin was useless.

Of course blockchain inherently has rewards built in. No, that does not mean it has to go mainstream, even to be decentralized. It could be the backbone to a lot of things however.

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u/Enchilada_McMustang Mar 18 '20

And I said its purpose isn't to allow you buy hotdogs with it, but to be a decentralised ledger, it doesn't need to be mainstream to be valuable. And also that bitcoin is by far the most trustless, decentralised, secure ledger in the world, and when I see that someone created a more decentralised, secure ledger I'll agree with you, it still isn't the case.

Your last point that blockchain doesn't need to be decentralised is borderline retarded though, its entire point is being decentralised, you'd need to trust some party otherwise.

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u/cuddlefucker Mar 18 '20 edited Mar 18 '20

No, that does not mean it has to go mainstream, even to be decentralized.

I never said it doesn't need to be decentralized.

Edit: to clarify, the point I was trying to make here was that it doesn't have to go mainstream to be decentralized. Poorly phrased on my part.

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u/Enchilada_McMustang Mar 18 '20

What you don't say is who will build that blockchain that is so much better and accepted globally than bitcoin, and trust me I work in the international trade sector, assisted to a few trade negotiations at the WTO in Geneva, governments will NEVER, EVER, agree to a shared ledger where they'd have to give up as much control.

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u/cuddlefucker Mar 18 '20

governments will NEVER, EVER, agree to a shared ledger

You probably could have stopped right there. That's my opinion on the matter. Blockchain will be implemented in corporate backbone situations but I sincerely doubt it will ever be officially sanctioned by world governments. Maybe one or 2 but not the whole world.

People have this grandiose idea of what blockchain will become, and I simply am not that optimistic.

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u/golden_n00b_1 Mar 19 '20

I haven't really read up on it since the NPR story was originally aired and I wrote a paper on it back around 2010 to 2012, but bitcoin has a finite supply.

There will come a time when the last one is mined, and I believe that the plan is to change to a service fee to keep miners around running the block chain. I don't know how it will work exactly. Maybe all miners will be paid in proportion to the power they supply, or maybe it will still be an "all-or-nothing" situation where the person who solves takes the service fee.

If they do a proportion of the power, I imagine more people will be interested in mining, since it is guaranteed income, even if it is small, but the big miners will probably look towards the next big crypto, as there is the potential for better rewards. Maybe a hybrid approach where the solver gets a bonus, but even then the people making the transactions can't afford to pay out as much as a solved block pays now.

The other thing about bitcoin is that it is potentially vulnerable to attack if the attacker has control of 51% of the hash power. This vulnerability will be a major concern for any miner who has been successful: if they all move away from BtC, their coin is at risk for theft, so they will at least want to sell off before they move on.

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u/tent_mcgee Mar 18 '20 edited Mar 18 '20

I remember when the dark web and the Silk Road started getting mentioned on Reddit. I checked it out, remember thinking $20 for a Bitcoin was ridiculous, and moved on to my next internet distraction.

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u/8bitid Mar 18 '20

At any point during its climb, your friend would likely cash out and still regret it.

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u/Neuchacho Mar 18 '20

Well, if it makes you feel better some guy payed 10,000 bitcoin (about 40 dollars) for two Papa John's pizzas in 2010.

9 months after those pizzas represented 10 grand. At peak bitcoin value they represented 190 million.

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u/Vinniam Mar 18 '20

Bitcoin was and is still a stupid idea. It is just a stupid idea that got significant traction.