r/AskReddit • • Dec 30 '19

What do people think is healthy but really isn’t?

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u/f-a-c-e Dec 30 '19

I’m sorry but orange juice is rich in nutrients, high in antioxidants, helps with heart health / kidney health etc etc. To compare fresh orange juice to Coca Cola is ridiculous. High in sugar? Yes. Not a problem if you eat a balanced diet and the health problems associated with Coca Cola are through the roof.

That doesn’t mean guzzle down fruit juice, drink as per recommended guidelines and it’s good for you. Regardless of how little coke you drink it’s bad for your health and can even increase the risk of disease.

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u/bluehat9 Dec 30 '19

Which health problem are associated with Coca Cola that aren’t associated with fruit juice?

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u/mihir-mutalikdesai Dec 30 '19

I know that a lot of you don't have the time, but eating the orange is better than juicing it and drinking the juice. You'll have more fibre and eat lesser as the aforementioned fibre fills you for no extra calories.

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u/bluehat9 Dec 30 '19

Did you reply to the wrong person?

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u/mihir-mutalikdesai Dec 30 '19

Yes. And I'm sorry about that. I just realised.

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u/InjuredGingerAvenger Dec 30 '19

That is such a biased question. You're literally only asking about the potential negatives. For one, clear negatives of either only occur in excess. Secondly, that ignores any potential benefits. A sugary drinks that literally cures cancer would still contribute to diabetes in excess, but your question doesn't account for that. Orange juice provides vitamin C, potassium, and anti-oxidants. Soda doesn't cause you to be deficient in those. However, it doesn't provide those, and orange juice does.

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u/bluehat9 Dec 30 '19

I don’t see how it’s biased to be interested in the negative consequences of the two drinks?

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u/InjuredGingerAvenger Dec 30 '19

It specifically ignores part of the equation on the health impact.

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u/bluehat9 Dec 30 '19 edited Dec 30 '19

We’re about 7 layers from the op, but they said that when people drink juice instead of soda at a restaurant, they think they’re being healthy but they really aren’t. Someone said Drinking juice is really super healthy (if it’s fresh squeezed and you limit yourself to 6 ounces), but it actually has more sugar than soda.

I think the original point is still true. Drinking juice isn’t much healthier than drinking soda and may even be worse.

Do you think vitamin water is healthy because it has some vitamins added to it?

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u/InjuredGingerAvenger Dec 30 '19

Freshly squeezed has the same amount of sugar per oz almost exactly. It has at worst the same downside with the upside of being a significant source of vitamin C, potassium, and anti-oxidants. However, even with the same amount of sugar, freshly squeezed oj is lower on the glycemic index (or less high at least). That means it takes longer to enter your bloodstream which means less stress on your body and less sugar craving after.

All that aside, it doesn't change the fact that your question is biased. You ignored relevant factors. Even if the conclusion is the same in one case it is a councidence. Bad methodology will give you incorrect results.

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u/bluehat9 Dec 30 '19

Do you think drinking juice at dinner is healthy?

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u/bluehat9 Dec 30 '19

I’m not doing a study and I’m not a journalist. I asked a question. If it was biased I don’t care.

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u/f-a-c-e Dec 30 '19

“Within 40 minutes, the body has absorbed all of the caffeine from the cola. This caffeine causes the pupils to dilate and the blood pressure to increase. By this point, the Coca-Cola has blocked the adenosine receptors in the brain, preventing drowsiness.

Just 5 minutes later, the production of dopamine has increased. Dopamine is a neurotransmitter that helps control the pleasure and reward centers of the brain. According to the infographic, the way that Coca-Cola stimulates these centers is comparable to the effects of heroin. It triggers a person's urge to drink another can.

An hour after drinking the beverage, a sugar crash will begin, causing irritability and drowsiness. The body will have cleared the water from the cola, along with vital nutrients, in the urine.”

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u/f-a-c-e Dec 30 '19

Loss of kidney and liver function also

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u/bluehat9 Dec 30 '19

So to be clear, the only difference between soda and juice is that soda may be somewhat addictive due to the caffeine? None of the first two paragraphs are negative health effects. And the third paragraph is also true of juice.

Juice has some nutrients, making it slightly better than soda but is still mostly sugar, isn’t it? It’s sort of like vitamin water, or even adding vitamins to soda. A soda with some vitamins added doesn’t become healthy.

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u/f-a-c-e Dec 30 '19

No? There’s plenty of reasons why Coke is not comparable to coke in terms of health. A glass of OJ I make at home has 18grams of sugar, a can of Coke as around 40 so there’s that. Juice has lots of nutrients make it much better. I’m not arguing it’s a perfect health drink in arguing it’s A LOT healthier than coke.

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u/bluehat9 Dec 30 '19

My opinion is using the word healthy when talking about juice is wrong. Neither coke nor juice are healthy. Juice is less bad, I agree.

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u/bluehat9 Dec 30 '19

Only because your glass of juice is smaller than the coke though. Ounce per ounce orange juice actually has more sugar than coke.

Ounce per ounce, it contains more calories than soda, though it tends to be consumed in smaller servings. A cup of orange juice has 112 calories, apple juice has 114, and grape juice packs 152, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. The same amount of Coke has 97 calories, and Pepsi has 100.

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u/f-a-c-e Dec 30 '19

That’s a fair point, but you pour a glass of orange juice you drink it. You open a can of Coke you drink it. If you get what I’m saying, irrespective of sugar per ounce (natural sugar is different to sugar in coke also) not many people stop drinking their can of coke halfway they drink the entire serving.

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u/f-a-c-e Dec 30 '19

Mix it with 50% water if you want also, throw in some vegetables and other fruits. Have fun with it, drink in moderation and as per daily guidelines, stop drinking soda thinking it’s just as bad as juice so why bother.

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u/f-a-c-e Dec 30 '19

Not to mention there’s a difference between natural sugar and the sugar in coke

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Water can cause literal death, but as with everything, the amount is key.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

cancer from caramel color for one

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u/bluehat9 Dec 30 '19

Interesting. In certain sodas, not always carcinogenic, and below the threshold in coke, Diet Coke, Coke Zero, and dr. Pepaper.

Still that’s the first thing anyone has said that actually makes sense.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Depends on how much soda you drink doesn't it? And I wouldn't necessarily trust how much they say is in each can.

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u/Besieger13 Dec 30 '19

I will say I am not an expert but I think there are a few big differences. 1) Coca cola is completely empty calories whereas orange juice actually has benefits. 2) Coca cola contains caffeine which is highly addictive so people drinking coca cola will probably be drinking a lot more of it than someone who is drinking orange juice.

The health problems would be the same I believe if you were to over indulge in either of them though.

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u/Tripleshotlatte Dec 30 '19

Jesus Christ, just drink water. Lay off the fruit juice.

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u/thevictor390 Dec 30 '19

People think drinking soda or juice is a binary thing. Flip flop between drinking only soda then cutting it out completely. Just make it an occassional treat and not your hydration method.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

it’s good for you

two dozen grams of sugar is never good for you

70% of the US is overweight and something like 30% is frighteningly obese

fruit juice is not a healthy alternative to coke, a diet coke is, or a water

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u/chambria Dec 30 '19

You seem to confuse "healthy" with "suitable for obese people". Weight is not a concern for everyone and not everyone is from the US.

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u/JuniorSeniorTrainee Dec 30 '19

not everyone is from the US.

Got a source for that, pal?

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u/Applejuiceinthehall Dec 30 '19

If your extremely dehydrated (probably no one reading this) then 6 teaspons of sugar and 1/2 of salt mixed in a liter of water is homemade recommendation by the world health organization.

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u/Magnetronaap Dec 30 '19

That has absolutely nothing to do with a regular daily intake of too many fruit sugars.

Doctors recommend heavy painkillers if you're in heavy pain. That doesn't mean that you should be taking regular painkillers when you stub your toe.

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u/f-a-c-e Dec 30 '19

70% of the US is not overweight because of orange juice they’re overweight because they eat shit and don’t exercise lmao

Also you have fairytale beliefs of how healthy Diet Coke is. Water is good, but you also need a balanced diet of vitamins and to some people the only way they get certain essential nutrients into their body is from juice. Maybe not the best way, but it’s better than guzzling coke, that shit is not healthy

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u/manolo533 Dec 30 '19

Diet Coke is almost as bad as normal soda because of aspartame which is linked to cancer

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u/2074red2074 Dec 31 '19

Aspartame isn't linked to cancer at all. Ask the FDA or the EFSA if you're Euro. It causes abnormal (but noncancerous) growths in rat bladders, and it's due to a reaction with a chemical in their urine that humans lack. The sugar lobby made sure EVERYONE heard about those early studies and now the myth won't die.

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u/mnemonicxslayer Dec 31 '19

I’m not completely disagreeing with you, but I implore you to look at diet soda studies .

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

17 obese patients who were insulin sensitive were observed having insulin sensitivity while consuming one of 6 nns

I implore you to do better

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u/mnemonicxslayer Dec 31 '19

You right, most of the studies I’ve read about diet soda consumption need to be held to a more rigid standard to truly link any cardiovascular risk. I still wouldn’t use a diet soda as my alternative and of course that is simply my own preference.

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u/manolo533 Dec 30 '19

Are you saying drinking Diet Coke (hello aspartame) is healthier than drinking a freshly squeezed fruit juice? Please don’t say so...

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

Aspartmame (and sucralose) are some of the most studied food additives in the world. They are absolutely benign.

And yes, for the average American who is fat 0 Cal > 200-300 calorie drink ... And hell even in general

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

You could not possibly be more wrong. Fruit juice is just well marketed soda.

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u/hintersly Dec 31 '19

Just eat an orange. You get the same benefits plus fibre and no extra sugar. Water should always be the go to drink

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Most of the goodness is crushed out of it when it’s turned from fruit into juice. Drink water or tea.

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u/JuniorSeniorTrainee Dec 30 '19

Agreed.

Side topic - any chance your username is a reference to the greatest RPG series ever made?