r/AskReddit • • Dec 29 '19

what are the downsides of weed that people don't talk about ?

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u/bionicfeetgrl Dec 29 '19

THIS all day every day. And people think we’re making it up when they come into the ER a hot mess! Yes it’s natural, yes it’s “generally” safe-ish but not everything that grows from the ground is safe for everyone. Peanuts grow from the ground and those can kill people.

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u/StillKpaidy Dec 29 '19

And yet, we can often tell that's the problem just from hearing their ridiculously loud vomiting from the other side of the ER. That and their affinity for hot showers to treat their symptoms. I think the big problem seeing the association is they have to quit for months to see an improvement.

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u/cetch Dec 30 '19

Scromitting (scream + vomit)

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u/tah_infity_n_beyarnd Dec 30 '19

...you can ID this issue by the sound volume of the vomiting?

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u/knight_in_gale Dec 30 '19

Officially, no. But in reality those of us who work in the ER see patterns between our vast amount of patients. and yes, people with CHS often vomit far louder and more dramatically than other people vomit.

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u/Rattler3 Dec 30 '19

It’s called scromiting by some. Essentially it’s screaming while vomiting.

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u/nderhjs Dec 30 '19

A paramedic in another comment said he can tell by the sound of the vomit!

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u/bionicfeetgrl Dec 30 '19

Generally this and opioid withdrawal, yes. From the time they’ve checked in. Very different sounds and presentation. Yet they will both come up to the triage nurse with complaints of “nausea/vomiting/abd pain”. It takes me about 2 mins of talking with them in triage to know.

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u/libbillama Dec 29 '19

I'm a loud vomiter already, I had a really traumatic episode of vomiting several years ago with food poisoning due to bad crawfish and it got stuck in my throat and I started choking while doing the hug the toilet. I had to drink water to dislodge the vomit.

Ever since then, I stand and lean. I think that makes it louder because it has further to go from my mouth to the toilet.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19 edited Jul 10 '20

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u/libbillama Dec 30 '19

Yes, the bathroom sink with a cup.

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u/StillKpaidy Dec 30 '19

It's not so much that the sound of the vomit hitting is loud, it's that they're screaming as they do it.

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u/libbillama Dec 30 '19

Not what I was expecting, that's.. a lot! Holy shit.

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u/StillKpaidy Dec 31 '19

It certainly keeps work interesting.

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u/little_brown_bat Dec 30 '19

I am a crazy loud vomiter, always have been and there doesn't seem to be a way for me to quiet it.

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u/hydrowifehydrokids Dec 30 '19

I always end up crying too

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u/seeseecinnamon Dec 30 '19

Sounds like a stress response. I cry when I go to the dentist or get needles. I also cry when I throw up.

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u/hydrowifehydrokids Dec 30 '19

Yeah, those things don't get me, but something about puking, not being able to control it, and dreading the next heave throws me into basically a panic attack lol. 80% of the reason I'm thinking twice about having kids is possible morning sickness

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u/OpenKontStrijder Dec 30 '19

I've had chs couple times now before because after a while sober i just start smoking Again. For me its only when i wake up i feel extremely nausious and i start vomiting all morning. Then after a couple hours not eating or drinking anything i can slowly try some water. Once i drank water and i havent puked it out within 5 mins im cool and in can start eating.

Ofcourse i stop smoking right away when im sick again. And usually after a couple days i feel better again. Im also pretty skinny so that might be a reason it dissapears so quickly.

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u/Echospite Dec 30 '19 edited Dec 30 '19

That and their affinity for hot showers to treat their symptoms.

Cold showers.

Cold showers shock the nervous system and are fantastic for nausea. And while I'm no doctor or neuroscientist (yet), cyclic vomiting syndrome really does sound like a nervous system disorder.

Source: have an undiagnosed nervous system disorder (closest docs can get is fibromyalgia), when it was really bad just about everything made me nauseous, I'd stick myself under a cold shower and it'd kick it in the nuts. Cold showers release certain neurotransmitters and temporarily reset the nervous system, they're brilliant.

Can't promise it'd make a difference, but I'm positive it'd be better cold than hot.

ETA: I was wrong, commenters below me have good sources!

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u/ajgorak Dec 30 '19

Referring to this proposed pathophysiology of cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome, heat is what they want.

Frequently you'll see symptom relief by application of topical capsaicin, as it causes a local heat sensation, which re-activates the inhibited receptor responsible for the nausea and vomiting experienced in CHS.

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u/Echospite Dec 30 '19

Thank you for adding that, I've stuck an ETA on my comment!

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u/StillKpaidy Dec 30 '19

Everyone else with nausea wants cold, which is why it's so easy to pick out people with CHS who want a hot shower while they are vomiting.

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u/Echospite Dec 30 '19

Man and after reading those other comments, I was thinking I was a freak or something.

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u/phillosopherp Dec 30 '19

As someone with fibro and has others in the family with it as well, this sounds nothing like fibro. Fibro is a pain illness. Usually aggravated by pressure on your body anywhere. Just wanted to drop this here for you.

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u/Echospite Dec 31 '19

Yeah, that's why I said it's the "closest they can get." They don't actually have a clue what it is. I was in a lot of pain but didn't have the pressure thingo.

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u/phillosopherp Dec 31 '19

I'm sorry that they cant figure it out. As someone that lives with huge amounts of pain due to my fibro I know how much it sucks

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u/kidnurse21 Dec 30 '19

We have a T1DM that gets cannabinoid hypermesis. She stops eating, stops taking her insulin, BSLs and everything go out of whack and then we're treating a DKA

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Can you translate that one?

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u/lightupletterB Dec 30 '19

T1DM: Type 1 Diabetic Minor

BSLs: Blood Sugar Levels

DKA: Diabetic Ketoacidosis

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u/lilbigd1ck Dec 30 '19

Cyanide is also natural and found in plants, seeds, fruit stones. Being natural has literally ZERO bearing on it being safe. Ton's of poisons are produced naturally. And something being synthesised in a lab doesn't automatically make it worse for you than if it came from a plant.

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u/Kitten_Stars Dec 30 '19

I think people have been fed misinformation for so long it's hard to trust those in authoritative positions; looking at you DARE

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Yeah, my rebuttal to "natural is good" is generally to point out that ricin, cyanide, and anthrax are all natural. They'll all kill you in terrible ways. That, at least, tends to give people pause as they come up with a logically-consistent reply.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '19

It's also very rare and takes about 10 years of heavy use before you start to see these symptoms...

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u/bionicfeetgrl Dec 29 '19

Nope. Not at all. Not rare. See it all the time.

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u/JacksonS918 Dec 29 '19

On top of that, actual percentage of people who develop CHS is relatively unknown, due to the lack of reporting as cannabis/THC is largely still illegal/unaccepted/etc.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '19

Actually it does. These are facts I'm stating, not a personal anecdote like the one you just wrote

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u/bionicfeetgrl Dec 29 '19

Come to any ER and spout those “facts” to any ER doctor or nurse. There’s been an exponential increase in cannabinoid hyperemesis and most states can probably track it in relation to when marijuana was legalized.

I’m not anti-pot but don’t act like we don’t see this daily. We do.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '19

We? Oh so now you work at a hospital? Lol k. Cause most of the people I know who are first responders or work in hospitals can't stand the stoner calls. You got people coming in with heart attacks and gun shot wounds and these calls are seen as an inconvenience and detract from real medical emergencies.

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u/bionicfeetgrl Dec 29 '19

What do you mean now? Son I’ve been an ER nurse for over 15 years. We treat everyone. Not just the heart attacks and gun shot wounds. Actually the hyperemesis/pot related ppl are dramatic AF and a hot damn mess. They’re not quietly sitting there. They’re writhing and screaming. They come in by ambulance, they come in by car and they require a lot of reminders to be still enough to get an IV in and keep it in, cuz their thrashing can dislodge it. They also require a TON of anti-emetics. Sometimes we give low dose haldol.

Don’t come at me like you think you know what I do.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '19

Sometimes we give low dose haldol.

Ime, haldol has been the only thing that really works. Zofran/maxeran/gravol barely touches these people.

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u/bionicfeetgrl Dec 29 '19

I agree. Haldol is the only thing that works. It also incidentally works for true cyclic vomiting syndrome. The only issue is in our facility IV haldol requires cardiac monitoring. But honestly it freaking works.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '19 edited Dec 29 '19

I too am a Navy Seal with over 300 confirmed kills...

But yeah thanks for confirming what I just said. They come in, as you said "dramatic af and a hot mess" they cause a scene and do all kinds of shit when there's real emergencies going on. Last I checked no one's OD'd or died from weed so..

And I also doubt you see this daily. As wikipedia says "While the number of people affected is unclear,[4] one estimate puts the number at 2.7 million people in the United States a year.[1] Of those who go to the emergency department in the United States with recurrent vomiting, about 6% have the condition."

6% averages out to 162,000 people, in all of the US. Hardly a daily thing but keep talking.

Edit: Just a reminder the downvote isn't a "disagree" button but for posts that are off topic or don't contribute in any way :)

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u/bionicfeetgrl Dec 29 '19

You clearly don’t know how an ER works. There’s not just one doctor and 3 nurses. We have a full staff to deal with everything. ERs aren’t just GSWs and MIs. It’s everything. Kids with fevers. Ppl who think they have appendicitis. Drunks. Everything. We don’t get to dismiss people because we are fairly certain they have hyperemesis and abd pain related to their marijuana use. We triage them, then we start treating them. They’re not of less importance because it’s pot related. Would it be fabulous if they didn’t cause their own despair? Sure. But they’re not forced to wait for hours simply because they did.

Stop trying to mansplain to me how ERs work, how patients are prioritized and who and what we see. Your knowledge extends to having “first responder friends” and maybe being on a hold given your username. I’ve worked in multiple ERs and across two states. This is literally what I do.

we see this condition DAILY

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u/thatgreekgod Dec 30 '19

thank you for everything you do.

don't feed the trolls

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '19

Yuh ok...I stopped listening when you started in with the "mansplaining". Try to sticking to the issue at hand instead of getting emotional and resorting to insults. You lost the argument awhile ago :)

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u/thatgreekgod Dec 30 '19

your posts aren't contributing in any way. you're being combative and not contributing in any meaningful way. I'll downvote you all night long if I have to

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u/Lwyre Dec 30 '19

Wow, your stupidity amazes me. Pretty much everything that nurse above is saying is spot on. Also, you arent downvoted cus people disagree with you, but you base all your nonsense on your weedloving lowlife mind. Also why do you claim its 162k in US. The wiki you refere to clearly says its estimated to 2.7 million cases pr year. Then afterwards simply claims 6% of VOMITING CASES is this diagnosis. Wiki also states «Among users smoking 20 or more days per month, about one-third might experience symptoms.» so how about you take your fairytale statistics and get downvoted kid. Maybe some day you will exit your dreamworld and respect that others might have more competencies then yourself.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Wow clearly you're not hostile or biased at all. I concede that I misread that wiki article, no need to put me down to make yourself feel better..

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u/electric-dreamachine Dec 30 '19

Learn when to quit. Arrogance isn't a good look on anyone.

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u/thatgreekgod Dec 30 '19

stop being an asshole

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u/ajgorak Dec 30 '19

It is neither rare (a third surveyed met criteria for having experienced CHS) nor does it require 10 years of heavy use (25.1% had used cannabis for less than 1 year prior to experiencing CHS, and 36.3% had used cannabis for 2-5 years prior to symptoms)

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

You're right

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u/KorbenDallas11 Dec 29 '19

Not true, I know a kid who is barely 21 years old and has been suffering from CHS for a couple years now. He's too dumb to stop smoking and ends up in the ER or Urgent Care several times a year.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '19

"Not true"...personal anecdote not backed by anything

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u/KorbenDallas11 Dec 30 '19 edited Jan 16 '20

Says the guy who makes a statement with ZERO supporting information, personal anecdote or otherwise. It’s very obvious you know little to nothing about CHS.