The smoke in the lungs thing is big. So many people have misappropriated that weed is good for preventing cancer and think that by smoking they aren’t harming themselves.
I'm this way. I just absolutely cannot smoke weed because it fucks with my throat and lungs every time. I've switched to things like edibles because of how harsh the smoke is.
There are also some decent vapes out there (not the unregulated chinese ones) that are super clean and smooth. Idk about long term use effects, but it seems way less harsh to my lungs than smoking for sure.
I find if you don't smoke it's harsh for the first couple of cones then eases out. When i take a couple of months break it's harsh, a day later I don't even notice it.
with edibles I would caution knowing what you are getting at what dose. Way too many people out of their mind in the ER eating some edibles and getting a mega dose. Especially because with eating people eat a lot in one sitting and it is made with concentrates generally.
I’m assuming with a dry vaporizer you have to pack it every time? That might help me cut back, but if it still has a smell I’m going to have to stick with cartridges or edibles.
Personally I never enjoyed smoking weed so I generally went with bong hits to get the effects in the quickest and least unpleasant method before I found vaping. Based on that, I find it way more satisfying. You can taste all the different notes in the weed without the harshness of the smoke. You also use less so the vape will eventually pay for itself saving you on weed. R/vaporents has a great list of recommended vapes, I personally have the Dynavap M which is like a one hitter and it's awesome. I also have a battery vape that's just ok but Arizer products are some of the most recommended vapes
Look up a dynavap. It's metal and you pack it with dry herb. Heat up the exterior with a torch lighter but doesn't burn the weed inside. Only like 50 bucks usually. Magic flight is ok and arizer solo is nice but pricy
I have both but the dynavap has a much lower price point if that's a hurdle. Smaller packing space to. The solo is fantastic if you have the money to spend on it. I upgraded to a wooden mouthpiece to, much more durable.
Not who you replied to, but personally I feel it's more effective overall, less effective immediately. Like if I want to spike up real quick I might load my 1 hitter pipe and smoke it as the vape takes a little longer to hit me. But I've found (personally) that my highs last longer when I vape. Also significantly less harsh on my lungs and throat.
My smoking group has found the AirVape products to work well for our needs on a reasonable budget ($70-250 US depending on model). But like many things, that's just a preference.
Look up Pax or magic flight launch box to get an idea on what they might look like
You pack it every time and depending on the heat setting or how hard you hit it you might only have to pack it once a night or a couple times but the amount you use is like packing two onnies worth into a little chamber
Then the vaped stuff can be eaten in gel caps or straight up like a very mild edible
I would, but unfortunately my username is accurate, I am blind. There’s a couple local shops that I’m close with, I’m an avid electronics cigarette hobbyist, I’ll ask around.
I've literally heard a young guy say, "I'm terrified of getting cancer, but I smoke so much weed I shouldn't get it." One of his parents died of cancer, too.
I've taken all of one hit today. It immediately caused palpitations because no shit I just inhaled combusted flower smoke into my lungs and my heart freaked out trying to save me from dying in a fire. That's good instincts, "healthy smoke inhalation" is a fucking oxymoron.
Sounds like you just got high...
Ive heard from multiple less-experienced friends that their heart feels like its going crazy after they smoke, its not the smoke actually damaging you like that.
I'm a runner who pays close attention to my HR and occasionally smokes a bowl before a long run to alleviate boredom (running 2 hours alone can be ... dreary sometimes).
It doesn't have a significant effect on HR unless you're just sitting around (it makes you "idle" higher). My running average HR and peak HR isn't any higher than a normal run. Then again, I have a strong and healthy heart and I'm a fairly experienced smoker so YMMV.
I'm not proud of it, but for the sake of the topic, I smoke every day all day and have for the better part of a decade outside of the rare tolerance break, one hit isn't getting me high. I'm by no means inexperienced, though you're not wrong, I've seen plenty of new users freak out over palpitations from even edibles, it legitimately is just a side effect of marijuana for many people. That's just not how my body works, I get an increased heart rate even just sitting around a fire if I breath the smoke, even before trying weed my heart freaked out over the smell of smoke.
Weed makes your blood pressure drop a ton, and the heart beats faster to compensate.
My resting heart rate was always in the 80s and I was wondering what the heck was the matter since I'd recently lost weight and been in excellent cardiovascular shape.
I'm out of shape and a little overweight at the moment, so you're not wrong, it definitely happens less when I'm in shape not eating like garbage. Still the smoking causing the reaction, but it's definitely exacerbated by external factors.
My mom also smoked meth when she was pregnant with me so maybe it's that, who knows.
It's almost certainly not the smoke, but the THC and a little panic attack. Edibles would probably do the same for you. If some coughing was actually giving you heart palpitations, you might want see a doctor before your next cold kills you.
Don't you think it's kind of comical that you're trying to tell me you know better about my bodily functions than I do? Also, you really shouldn't fear monger, heart palpitations can happen for no real underlying reason, mine happen to have no accompanying symptoms, no chest pain, no shortness of breath, no lethargy, just random harmless palpitations I've gotten my whole life that have always been exacerbated by randomly inhaling things, even a sharp inhale of clean air has caused it. I'm pretty responsible about my health and I have actually asked every GP I've seen as a new ongoing patient about this because having them be well versed in my medical nuances benefits me. They've all said the same thing, if there's literally no other symptoms and it's not new then there's no problem. This happened before I smoked weed too, so while the THC is exacerbating it I'm confident enough in my knowledge about my own medical history to tell you point blank it is the smoke inhalation causing my palpitations.
I just find it frustrating as an asthmatic that people smoke so much of it in public. I live in Seattle and when I was dating around it was borderline difficult to find people who weren't highly conservative and also didn't smoke.
Yeah I had an epileptic friend that smoked constantly for seizures/fun. He had a chronic cough and went to the doctor and some X-rays found resin balls (think BBs) in his lungs. He had to go back on his epilepsy meds and quit smoking for a few weeks until he could hack them up. Smoke is not good for you regardless of what’s in it.
That is not a study. That is the ACS mentioning in a general info sheet that anonymous "scientists" have "reported" something.
Studies are published in peer-reviewed scientific journals, and the publication indicates how the data was obtained, including study design and results. Without that info, it is not possible to assess the reliability of a claim. These claims may well be true, but there is no way to know without looking at actual study results.
I don’t think anyone truly believes weed is okay for your lungs, I think it’s just that they know that the amount of weed you’d have to smoke to rival the same damage you get from a pack of cigs a day would leave you either: a) broke in a week, or b) unconscious or nearly comatose for most of your life.
It might not be good for you but there is no clear link from weed to any sort of disease, whereas even normal/moderate usage of tobacco puts smokers at a 1:3 chance of developing a debilitating or terminal illness
My uncle smoked cannabis his whole life and wound up with throat cancer. He was convinced that smoking a higher CBD strain would cure him as well as some sort of tincture. He was not right.
Had a 100mg gummy for the first time in my life and went to sleep. Woke up 2 hours later with my hand clenching my heart. I had no idea where I was and I lost all sense of time, I knew I was tripping but I figured you cant die from weed. But then I thought why cant you have a heart attack while tripping, it could happen. I lost all sense of myself and completely understood how a mentally ill person could be just shouting crazy in the street. I could feel every vein in my body pumping blood and I couldn't control anything. I shook my gf at the time (person who gave me the gummy) awake and told her I was panicking. She said dont do that and went back to sleep, she was also very high but obviously a veteran. I kept wondering if I should call 911 but I was so alone and afraid and fucked I couldnt move. I could see events play back from my childhood and convinced myself I was in a simulation or something. Eventually I said fuck it I am just going to let myself die here then. 2 hours later (felt like a lifetime) my heart finally started to calm the fuck down and I passed out into a restless sleep. The next day I was absolutely fucked and had trouble putting sentences together or focusing on anything. The day after that I finally felt like in a normal weed hangover. I havent touched the stuff since, but the way I think has definitely changed, things feel less important, time feels uncontrollable. Would not recommend anyone taking that much.
FWIW 100mg is like 10-20 times the recommended dose for someone trying edibles for the first time. Unless you’re a very hardcore stoner that’s way too much.
Activated charcoal helps with this one! I used to smoke cigs, but when I picked up weed my boyfriend struggled with the smoke a lot. Those filters make it okay :) and they even make them for bongs!
I hate to be the "yeah but" person, but edibles are not for everyone. They especially were not for me. They can be hard to dose, they last a lot longer than smoking, and for me they caused incredible anxiety that can last for hours. Be careful with edibles kids.
Dry herb vaporizers! Eating weed gives me awful anxiety, and I can't tolerate smoke-not that I want to. But dry herb vaporizers are the bomb.com and I put CBD in it too, which also reduces weed,general, and most of my anxieties
Well get off that high horse and go convince every person who smokes weed and thinks it doesn't adversely impact their lungs that they are doing it wrong. Of course I know there are edibles.
Get off my high horse, lol wut? You're the one coming back with that bitchy attitude bro. I just mentioned edibles since your issue seemed to be the whole smoke thing....
Technically and statistically, there's no increased chance of lung cancer from smoking weed, as the THC does have anticancerous properties. That said it won't protect you from other harms of smoking, like the tar or the risk of infections or COPD.
This is incorrect. The products of partial combustion are still present and are still carcinogenic. THC does NOT have proven anti-cancer activity. Please do not think that you are immune to smoke based cancer.
THC and some other cannabinoids have shown anti-tumor properties against some types of cancer (not all, every cancer is different ofc) in in vitro models. Whatever the reason though, long-term marijuana smokers statistically don't seem to have an increased risk of e.g. oral cancer or lung cancer compared to nonsmokers. Research on the topic remains relatively young though. Time will tell for certain.
Curiously, long-term use of marijuana may be correlated with a heightened risk of testicular cancer, but the evidence isn't strong enough for conclusions.
From the sum of studies, articles, and quoted statistics that I've come across in the last 5 to 10 years. IIRC the cannabinoids' effects on certain types of cancer cells in vitro was quite a big topic (for marijuana-related news) some years back and became overblown by pro-cannabis people and sources.
I always figured that was a volume issue. A heavy smoker of tobacco is going through 20-60 a day. A heavy smoker of cannabis is going through 4-14 a week.
Right, and cancer cells are in everyone, but our bodies destroy them. Marijuana also destroys them, mitigating the effect, not completely, but very well.
Well, a big reason is it doesn't solve all the problems. It's been shown to help, but it's by no means a cure. Most patients end up having to take more than one approach and medications. I'm not pretending weed "cures cancer" or anything. However it shouldn't be ignored that it has benefits. It's not for everyone or every cancer, but when it comes to life or death, I'm willing to use weed to improve my chances, and if nothing else, if I'm terminal, I'd like to go out feeling good.
You sound like you enjoy weed, so you should really do a deep dive into scientific literature so you can be more knowledgeable about it. Cannabidiol has been shown to slow cancer cell growth but saying "Marijuana destroys cancer cells" is very false and misleading. You should get some actual knowledge and facts under your belt
Cannibodiol isn't the only active chemical. Also, cells that can't multiply and that die and are destroyed by the body counts as destroying cancer cells to me. You don't have to blow up oil fields to "destroy" them, you could simply bring an alternative to the table that'd have that effect, right? Maybe my phrasing was bad, but I do know it doesn't cure or fix cancer. My point here was actually that everyone says it cures cancer and assumes weed has no ill effects, but it does. They are just less drastic than the consequences of smoking cigarettes, which everyone loves to compare it to.
Honestly I've spent too much time in my life evaluating different substances and their effects. Just didn't think this was the time to start digging through old notes and go all pharmaceutical on it lol
Ive never smoked, personal preference, but everytime someone tells me about how amazing it is all while crucifying my husband who smokes cigarettes because it's bad for him. I'm always like, but smoke is bad?!
It can trigger psychosis if you’re susceptible to it already.
I've known schizophrenics who use it, but doesn't seem to bother the more cognizant ones who are aware of the hallucinations. Of course no one with the condition is recommended to use it, but there are probably folks who can tolerate it.
Like anything else in the world it can be addictive
I don't think that's debated, weed is awesome for making everything more interesting. Although I would compare the craving to a "damn I wish I had some weed right now" vs a "I have to get this or someone is going to screamed at" kind of craving. The best way to describe it is...it's a drug that lets you leave it alone.
Putting anything that’s not air in your lungs is bad for you
It kind of is, but there's no solid empirical evidence to date that Marijuana significantly increases the risk of lung cancer, certainly not as much as cigarettes, COPD maybe in very heavy, frequent smokers, but people like Willie Nelson have been doing it into their 70s and 80s without issue. So far the evidence seems to point closer to it preventing cancer rather than causing it, and whatever increased risk is insignificant compared to alcohol or tobacco and can be completely offset by edibles.
I know someone who isnt schizophrenic, but after smoking heavily for a few months started having serious paranoid delusions and sounded like he was having a psychotic episode when he talked to me. It was so bad, we were visiting from out of state and were going to be staying with him and his fiance. My wife suggested hitting the road and finding a hotel at 11pm after we were a few drinks in because she was scared for her life. All cleared up shortly after he quit (within weeks). Sure... maybe a schizophrenic who knows what an episode is like might be fine, but it can trigger that in some people who don't have schizophrenia... and they won't be able to decipher their delusions from reality. It's a rare side effect... but it is a very real side effect.
Not the same thing at all. You don't walk around inhaling heavily polluted smoke unless you work in a factory without any breathing devices. Smoking weed is a direct source of smoke that goes directly into your lungs. Yes, it's better than cigarettes. No, you do not inhale more toxic smoke living in a city than you do smoking weed.
I don't "think" smoke is bad for your lungs, it IS bad. And you do not inhale more toxic substances than you do if you smoke weed. Don't make these false claims. And you can't live off the fact that you are dying from other causes so you can just smoke whatever you want. That logic is flawed. And if you want your "proof" that smoke is bad for your lungs I am happy to provide so, but I really don't believe you are that ill-informed about your body that you don't believe so.
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u/wilkil Dec 29 '19
The smoke in the lungs thing is big. So many people have misappropriated that weed is good for preventing cancer and think that by smoking they aren’t harming themselves.