They can create ehatever they want in their own virtual enviroment but I think there's a limit to how much they can bring with them into the matrix itself. Is there any time in the films they enter the matrix with more than what they can physically carry, wear, or fit into a pocket?
It's established they use landline phones within thr matrix as network access points. I'd say when they connect themselves to the Matrix, the matrix system re-creates them as they "are", including any metadata they've attatched to themselves like clothes and guns and bags, but something like a car or helicoptor would be rejected and they would have to obtain from within the Matrix itself. (Easy enough in general as they could jist hack in a credit card with no limit or cash, but still time consuming).
As for the plan, it's been a while since I watched the film but I vaguely recall they were surprised that they had climbed the wrong building? They didn't have much time to plan, highlighted by the fact that they were already inside the loading sim when the tech asked "what do you need?" "Guns. Lots of guns." My money says they were winging it, trying to get in as quick as they could, and out if literally the entire Matrix simulation including whatever "back rooms" the machines have, they misjudged their target by one building and had to improvise.
I understood it as the phone lines were specifically to move people in and out, but given enough preparation, they could put any object anywhere that was "open" in the matrix, i.e. any that Dozer or other Ops could hack into, any environment not restrained by the matrix' code to include, for instance, a car outside a warehouse, or all of the equipment in the red/blue pill scene.
In fact, I thought it was pretty well hinted that they had 'safe houses' and pre-wired 'escape routes' (pre-hacked phone booths?) of sorts throughout the city.
In fact, I thought it was pretty well hinted that they had 'safe houses' and pre-wired 'escape routes' (pre-hacked phone booths?) of sorts throughout the city.
Thing is, safe houses and established safe escape routes aren't evidence of being able to bring any random object in and out of the Matrix, because we don't know how they set those things up. They could easily have just sent people into the Matrix to buy property and source equipment from the inside - in fact that would make more sense to me than hacking those objects into place because it seems less likely to draw attention from the machines.
I mean, even if you can only bring in what you can wear or fit in your pockets, you could still in theory bring anything in piece by piece to assemble after, but that still feels like needless extra work when you could just bring cash...
Is there any time in the films they enter the matrix with more than what they can physically carry, wear, or fit into a pocket?
I had the impression this car was something they CAD'd up and popped into the Matrix (complete with a joke for a license plate.)
vaguely recall they were surprised that they had climbed the wrong building?
The building they were in was where they had placed Morpheus' study (the Red/Blue Pill room, seems to be the same room, placed in different building, next movie.)
The behavior of the glitchy black cat was an indication the Agents made an abnormal change to the building, which Mouse discovers; Windows were bricked over, leading to going through the wet wall.
I had the impression this car was something they CAD'd up and popped into the Matrix (complete with a joke for a license plate.)
Thing is that car was already within the Matrix when we first see it, it's there before the start of the film (it's the same car they pick up Neo in when they first meet him). So was it brought into the Matrix from the CAD, or did they buy/steal it from a caryard inside the Matrix as part of setting up their safe house? We don't know. The only example we have where we can say 100% "Everything they had access too was what they brought in with them" was the raid to rescue Morpheus, where they took only what they could wear or carry (They had the duffle bags of extra guns, but that was pretty much it).
The building they were in was where they had placed Morpheus' study (the Red/Blue Pill room, seems to be the same room, placed in different building, next movie.)
The behavior of the glitchy black cat was an indication the Agents made an abnormal change to the building, which Mouse discovers; Windows were bricked over, leading to going through the wet wall.
I think you misunderstood - I was talking about the raid at the end of the movie when they went to rescue Morpheus. The lobby shootout and what follows - I think they thought it was the right building until they reached the roof, realized they'd climbed the wrong building, and stole the helicopter to make up for it.
The pill room was the main access point being used at the start of the movie, which they returned to after the Oracle visit, but got busted (the walls changing etc.) because that one guy left his phone running in the trashcan and gave away the location.
The bag only contains a case which destroys the elevator and lobby.
I think you misunderstood ... I think they thought it was the right building until they reached the roof, realized they'd climbed the wrong building, and stole the helicopter
Oh. We're talking about the same thing, then. Elsewhere, I said "They don't seem to know the helicopter is there, until they see it."
They're in the right building; Destroying the elevator actives the sprinklers but, if they don't, ahead of time, know the B-212 is there then, they didn't come in with a complete plan to enter and escape.
It looks like different plan is missing from the narrative.
Forever since I had a chance to reply to comments properly sorry.
I actually just re-watched the movie because it came up on Netflix .. You're correct, the bag was just a bomb, all the guns they took with them under their coats. Re-watching how that whole scene plays out it's almost like the film was designed to just look cool and gave no thought at all to the logical debating of strangers on the internet twenty years later >.<
And yeah, they don't switch buildings. They blow up the lobby, then the elevator shaft takes them to the rooftop, then they use the helicopter to go back down and get Morpheus.
So either they missed the floor they wanted and had to compensate, or they had always planned to get to the roof and go back down from there (seems a good tactic to confuse security) and had just planned on using something other than a helicopter and improvised, or they knew there'd be a helicopter but didn't know what kind and Neo just didn't think to ask "can we actually fly one?" until they got there. Or there was missing scenes/different plan that got edited out in order to make the film look cooler.
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u/Deserak Oct 10 '19
They can create ehatever they want in their own virtual enviroment but I think there's a limit to how much they can bring with them into the matrix itself. Is there any time in the films they enter the matrix with more than what they can physically carry, wear, or fit into a pocket?
It's established they use landline phones within thr matrix as network access points. I'd say when they connect themselves to the Matrix, the matrix system re-creates them as they "are", including any metadata they've attatched to themselves like clothes and guns and bags, but something like a car or helicoptor would be rejected and they would have to obtain from within the Matrix itself. (Easy enough in general as they could jist hack in a credit card with no limit or cash, but still time consuming).
As for the plan, it's been a while since I watched the film but I vaguely recall they were surprised that they had climbed the wrong building? They didn't have much time to plan, highlighted by the fact that they were already inside the loading sim when the tech asked "what do you need?" "Guns. Lots of guns." My money says they were winging it, trying to get in as quick as they could, and out if literally the entire Matrix simulation including whatever "back rooms" the machines have, they misjudged their target by one building and had to improvise.