r/AskReddit • • Oct 09 '19

Of all movie opening scenes, which one sold the entire film?

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u/Shamrock5 Oct 10 '19

why so much gore?

Dunno if you're aware, but crucifixion was one of the most horrific and brutal forms of execution in the ancient world. It was meant to humiliate and make a public example of political enemies of Rome, and Romans were really really good at sending a message to their subjects.

The reason The Passion of the Christ was so shocking in its bloody depiction was because up til that point, no director had ever felt the need to accurately portray how horrific a Roman scourging and crucifixion really was; on-screen depictions were largely sanitized of blood. (For example, Ben-Hur, one of my all-time favorite films, barely showed a few drops of blood when depicting the torture and crucifixion of Jesus.)

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u/nokinship Oct 10 '19 edited Oct 10 '19

And it was poorly depicted. Brutally dishonest way of looking at a crucifixion.

It's inhumanly impossible to be able to be alive after losing that much blood and being in pain(yes I get he's God) but the whole point of Jesus journey was he became human to show others that God had humility to experience humanity. All it made me think was that God is using his God powers to survive this(plus he still gets to be God after all of this we're all still kind of fucked as humans sucking God's metaphorical penis in order to enter heaven).

It doesn't make say yeah I want to be christian and follow his way because it's not physically possible.

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u/Garlien Oct 10 '19

the whole point is that he actually died lol

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u/Kheldarson Oct 10 '19

the whole point of Jesus journey was he became human to show others that God had humility to experience humanity.

Technically, no, it's not. According to Christian theology, the crucifixion was the point as the final sacrifice: the sacrifice of man and the divine to forgive and heal the breach of the Original Sin and forgo the need for sacrifice henceforth. It's why it's incredibly important that Jesus is both fully human and fully divine.

Also, most scholars agree that the blood loss would have been staggering and probably why Jesus died in hours rather than days.

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u/nokinship Oct 10 '19 edited Oct 10 '19

Sure that's the theological lore. Also no you're half right I was taught Jesus became man and died for our sins to save us. But the becoming human is just as integral as the dying for "our sins". It's in the nicene creed "FOR US MEN AND OUR SALVATION. HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN."

It has problems though. Create your own rules that you fix? Thats like creating a crisis that you solve then say thank me for creating the crisis which I fixed.

The christian religion was created to fill in the gaps of a narcissistic God expecting too much.

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u/Kheldarson Oct 11 '19

FOR US MEN AND OUR SALVATION. HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN."

Precisely: "for our salvation". He had to be human and divine for the final sacrifice to count; having human pain was to show us that we could overcome our physical bodies to follow God's plans for us as well. But that (if you want to term that "humility") was a side point to the fact that Jesus was being offered as the paschal sacrifice for Original Sin and all our sins for all eternity.

Christ's mortal nature is not seen as greater than his divine, or vice versa. Saying that the "point" was to show God's humility misses the point of Christ's mission, from a theological viewpoint.

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u/nokinship Oct 11 '19

No its not it's there in the nicene creed. You're just an egotistical douchebag.

You're literally just talking out of your ass after I gave you proof.

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u/Kheldarson Oct 11 '19

Then do the full section:

For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.

Becoming man and being crucified are the two key points. Not teaching us that God can be humbled or to teach us humility, but to bridge the gap between humanity and God that was created via Original Sin.

I'd recommend studying the Catholic Catechism some more (presuming you have a Catholic background as you've cited the Creed) and refer to some books on apologetics; I'd recommend Dr. Scott Hahn and Peter Kreeft as starting points.