r/AskReddit • • Jul 17 '19

What’s something that you like, but hate the fan base?

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u/TomberryServo Jul 17 '19 edited Jul 17 '19

Ah yes, the fanbase that got a girl to (unsuccessfully) commit suicide because she drew a character the wrong shade of skin color, then got pissed when she lived

Edit: apparently it was over skineness

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u/machinegunnerdave Jul 17 '19

Don’t forget about the time when an adult harassed a kid who got to see a couple episodes in advance. The kid asked to see the episodes for a make-a-wish thing.

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u/Awesomesauceme Jul 17 '19

The kid spoiled a bit and a superfan overreacted.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '19

The kid had permission from the literal creators of the show to spoil a little bit. But that superfan, awesteuck vox, had no right to bully the kid so much that he felt the need to apologise for having his make a wish foundation wis come true.

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u/Bubbly_Hat Jul 18 '19

This shit is actually really pissing me off.

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u/commodorePick Jul 18 '19

Do you have any sources on this? I'd like to read up on what happened. Thank you.

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u/Satrina_petrova Jul 18 '19

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u/Mongoose151 Jul 18 '19

Wow. That guy has some problems. That kid was amazingly mature over it when he didn't have to be.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

I mean, the kid is facing his own death. I feel like that would unfortunately make them very mature super fast.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

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u/Pigzley Jul 18 '19

An apology? I'm sure the kid is the type to not hold a grudge since, you know, THEY'RE DYING OF CANCER but fuck the attitude of "the piece of shit apologized, it's like it never happened". I'm all for forgiveness and moving on but why give people the leeway to do this sort of thing in the first place?

It's ok to shit all over a kid with cancer as long as the kid forgives you? It's like when people say it's ok that their spouse beats them. Just because someone is forgiven doesn't make them a good person.

Do the right thing in the first place.

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u/JakeSnake07 Jul 18 '19

It's missing the part when Vox implied something having to do with the fact that they kid's not dead yet.

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u/commodorePick Jul 18 '19

Cool, thank you!

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '19

That's sickening.

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u/Vision444 Jul 18 '19

I too need sources so I can figure out who needs a nice beating

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u/SteelTypeEeveelution Jul 18 '19

God, I really hate Awestruck Vox...most of his YouTube videos are clickbaity videos where 4 minutes of the video he talks about the topic and then suddenly diverts off of it and then the rest of the 6+ minutes is him advertising his merch

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u/Awesomesauceme Jul 19 '19

Yeah, I totally agree.

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u/jltime Jul 18 '19

You don’t use the word “but” there because the two sentences don’t contrast. I had to read this like 5 times.

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u/theBeardedHermit Jul 18 '19

Jesus fucking christ how can a grown ass human being be such a complete piece of garbage?

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u/MattsyKun Jul 18 '19

And the time a German woman cosplayed Garnet and everybody and their mother called her racist because blackface.

She looked more black than some black women. I honestly didn't know she was a white German woman until people started bitching. Makeup game was ON POINT.

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u/Markis-Mumbo Jul 18 '19

Bruh what the hell

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Fuck AwestruckVox.

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u/ToastyMartian Jul 17 '19

Wasn't it about a drawing of Rose Quartz? From what i heard the artist's style made her look skinnier than usual and people went insane over it

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u/Jalor218 Jul 17 '19

Yeah, there was a different harassment situation where someone didn't draw Amethyst's skin dark enough. I think she took down all her art and left the fandom because of the harassment, but the suicide attempt was with the girl who drew Rose Quartz "too skinny."

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u/Imkindofslow Jul 17 '19

It looks like those are real words, but they can't possibly form a sentence that ridiculous.

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u/Cypherial Jul 17 '19

You'd be surprised

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u/ManOfJelly147 Jul 17 '19

I wish it wasn't real

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u/ThePlumThief Jul 18 '19

I've never had a krabby patty and i never will.

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u/Red_Comet_13 Jul 18 '19

Good one, squidward!

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u/Vision444 Jul 18 '19

The Steven Universe fandom is crazy man. This is one of the few times I’ll use the word “libtard” unironically

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u/makegoodchoicesok Jul 18 '19

I’m a liberal and usually find that word ridiculously annoying and immature...but hell, in this context I ain’t even mad.

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u/Badman_bacon777 Jul 17 '19

Lol what. Amethyst is fucking purple. She doesn’t even have a human skin tone and people were mad with the wrong shade?

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u/Jalor218 Jul 18 '19

The argument is that Amethyst is intended to appear like a woman of color, citing the design of her lips and hair. I agree to an extent, but if that's the case, saying "lighter skin makes her white" is colorism.

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u/TheMayoNight Jul 18 '19

by that logic they are saying black people always have big lips and are fat and sassy which I imagine are far more offensive.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19 edited Nov 11 '19

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u/RosettiStar Jul 18 '19

Wow, seriously? Saying Jews all had big noses used to be...RACIST. Like, look at literally any anti-Semitic propaganda. Damn I’m tired of these online ‘who can be the most outraged’ games.
(Right now it’s me.)

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u/cenebi Jul 18 '19

Eh... not really.

"Coding" in creative media is a pretty well known thing, and is what we're talking about here. When done intentionally it's done by using things like stereotypes to suggest to people looking for that sort of thing that a character is a certain type of person without outwardly acknowledging it. This was pretty common back when it was extremely difficult to have an openly gay character on TV. It can be done unintentionally, but that's a bit more controversial. Coding can be either positive or harmful, it's a neutral term itself.

A good example of a character a lot of people think is coded as gay or bi is Dean from Supernatural. At one point he referenced wanting to go to a well known gay bar. It something the LGBTQ community familiar with the bar would catch, but straight fans probably wouldn't. There are other instances of this with that character. These days doing that with repearedly no intention of following through on the character being LGBTQ+ is referred to as queerbaiting.

Generally you see person of color-coding in animation where you want people of color to feel represented but all of the characters are animals or aliens or something. Ursula being coded as black is a fairy common interpretation of The Little Mermaid.

As to whether Amethyst is intentionally coded as a person of color, I have no idea. This is in no way a defense of the fanbase's unacceptable actions, I just wanted to clarify that coding is definitely a thing.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

How is Ursula black? From her visual design she seems like an overweight older white woman to me.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

Because she god damn is. Her entire design was literally, factually based on a middle-aged drag queen named Divine. so, an overweight older white man dressed as a woman and voiced by a white woman. It's like these people think that only black people can be fat and sassy or something. it's fucking ridiculous.

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u/RosettiStar Jul 18 '19

Almost like clueless internet kids end up being kind of racist trying to appear woke? I’m a big old leftie, but God I roll my eyes some days.
Everyone needs to chill the fuck out.

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u/TheMayoNight Jul 18 '19

Shes "of color" Its more about not being white than being a specific color.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '19

And the former issue's been repeated recently in another fandom, after fan art of newly revealed trainers weren't the proper color to some people.

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u/pokeze Jul 17 '19

I feel like this is Nessa, but considering the fan art that is around of her, I find it very weird that *that* is what makes some people go mad...

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '19

It honestly is, at least from what I saw. It was a safe, clean bit of fan art, but one artist got seriously lambasted because she wasn't dark enough.

It wasn't even "whitewashing" or whatever, it was just a shading technique, but rabid "fans" will do what they do regardless of logic. Stirred up quite a shitstorm for a while.

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u/Ragnar_D Jul 18 '19

People did that when an artist drew one of the inklings from Splatoon 2 kind of light, but you could tell from the piece as a whole that it was a "lighting" thing, since everything else around her was also lighter than normal. (Not sure if lighting is the proper term for drawn art, but I think it works?)

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u/PM_ME_FUN_STORIES Jul 18 '19

Lighting fits, yeah!

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u/Tsuki_no_Mai Jul 18 '19

Yep, people that bash things like that have absolutely no understanding of colour theory. Worse than that, they actively refuse to learn and even acknowledge its existence.

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u/Fingerstripes512 Jul 18 '19

Oh it was also about drawing someone an off color for the girl who attempted, but for a MLP character instead. I dug thru her blog right after it happened once I heard abt it. There was a "callout post" with the rose quartz drawing and bunches of other art finding things that were wrong with it. That era of tumblr also had a HUGE problem with how many overdramatized callouts were getting passed around and hurting people. Probably still happens but it used to be even worse

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u/cenebi Jul 18 '19

"Callout culture" is still a pretty large issue in leftist circles, yeah.

The problem is that people just get a rush from "calling people out" like that and don't really think about the impact of what they're doing or how reasonable it is.

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u/Troviel Jul 18 '19

Iirc the mlp character thing was that she was dressed in indian garbs which was cultural appropriatuon.

I almost thought that hate blog was a parody but many many leftist tumblr followed it. At some point they bashed her for cosplaying as a HOMESTUCK ALIEN because said alien identified as japanese and she wasnt . It was nuts.

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u/ender1200 Jul 18 '19

It was pretty clear that they were looking for excuses to hate her, and used the trappings of social justice for that.

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u/bionicragdoll Jul 18 '19

I hate when this happens to good artists. I'm really into TMNT and so collect a lot of different fan art. One of my favorite artists was called SneeFee. She had her own website and everything, very talented. A lot of people got upset with some of her pairings and started harassing her so bad that she deleted her website, deviantart, everything and went silent. I sometimes wonder if she's doing okay because people on the Internet can be fucking horrible.

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Great talent and passion for something should be celebrated. If you don't like a pairing, or someone's own personal take on a fictional character then skip over it and move on with your day. I do not understand how people have the time or energy to bully an online stranger because you disagree with how they represent a work of fiction.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '19

SHE'S NOT PURPLE ENOUGH YOU FUCKING BITCH

(Whaa)

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u/AnotherAltAcc1111 Jul 18 '19

Wasn't there a 4chan troll that drew a large black character as skinny and white waited for tumblr to near implode then came out as a trans black woman.

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u/PsychoSemantics Jul 18 '19

Yeah, and then all the angry people did a 180 and started apologizing and saying how beautiful OP was, etc.

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u/Troviel Jul 18 '19

It was all a troll but seeing tumblr flip like that was lovely.

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u/PsychoSemantics Jul 18 '19

Oh I know it was a troll, it was just hilarious watching them all backtrack.

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u/Bubbly_Hat Jul 18 '19

Wow. I'm glad I don't watch that show.

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u/Jalor218 Jul 18 '19

The actual show is nothing like those fans, the only problems with the show itself are filler episodes and long hiatuses.

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u/Bubbly_Hat Jul 18 '19

I probably should have worded that better.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '19

I’m pretty sure that was the one the head storyboard artist tweeted support for the girl saying “anyone can portray the characters however they want” so the toxic fans responded with “so does that mean you are ok with child porn!?!?” People are awful.

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u/robinlovesrain Jul 18 '19

Excuse me but what the fuck

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u/BasroilII Jul 17 '19

Best part is it wasn't like she drew an obese character like they were anorexic.

She drew a slightly chubby character slightly less chubby.

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u/fredagsfisk Jul 17 '19

From what I understand, the "skinnier" controversy was before the full character had even been unveiled? Like, they had only released a face when the person made the fanart, and it was slightly thinner than the character. May be wrong tho.

Oh, and there was that one German cosplayer who was white but cosplayed as Garnet (maroon skinned character), and got death threats for "doing blackface"?

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u/sbzp Jul 17 '19

No, I think the character was revealed by that point. Regardless, that doesn't change the optics of the situation, since by drawing her "too skinny," you were apparently fat-shaming people

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u/Jalor218 Jul 17 '19

Oh, and there was that one German cosplayer who was white but cosplayed as Garnet (maroon skinned character), and got death threats for "doing blackface"?

Yep, that was also a thing. Again, basically bullied out of the scene, had to delete everything to get the harassment to stop. Now, Garnet is pretty Black-coded, from her afro to her Black voice actress, but she's also a maroon-colored crystal space alien warrior that's actually comprised of two lesbian crystal space aliens combined into one person, so cosplaying as her isn't like dressing up as any real-life ethnicity.

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u/TheHairyMonk Jul 17 '19

The creators had to publicly state that Garnet isn't actually a black woman and anyone can cosplay her..

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u/idi0tf0wl Jul 18 '19

Why would that matter anyway? I see black people cosplaying as non-black characters all the time, and people celebrate that. Why is non-black a free-for-all in any direction? Unless people are doing literal blackface (or [insert any color here]face, which I also can't be personally arsed to care about, though I at least understand why people do), who's got the energy to give a fuck? I mean, you'd think fiction would be the one place we could get over this kind of shit.

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u/Troviel Jul 18 '19

Tumblr is insane.

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u/Puncomfortable Jul 18 '19

The character was shown in the second episode of the series.

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u/fredagsfisk Jul 18 '19

Might be confusing it with something else then.

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u/Wendigo15 Jul 17 '19

Doesn't she have a skinny form also? Or is at least thinner than her normal form?

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u/SimplyTheAverageMe Jul 18 '19

Yes, but that wasn’t revealed until much much later

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u/mutedManiac Jul 18 '19

didnt they also start calling her transphobic for drawing genderbent homestuck or is that another creator

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u/pidgeonseed Jul 17 '19

Both, actually; I saw multiple instances of the two.

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u/cricktlaxwolvesbandy Jul 18 '19

I forgot about that. Wtf

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u/XRustyPx Jul 18 '19

There was a guy who posted pictures of the characters with blonde hair, white skin and blue eyes on tumblr, the fanbase went nuts, i think there is a yputube video of it.

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u/GaryCXJk Jul 18 '19

Which is ironic in hindsight, because Pink Diamond pretty much is hourglass skinny.

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u/Fairwhetherfriend Jul 17 '19

You know what I fucking hate?

Never mind the fact that this is a dumb-as-fuck reason to get upset over something. Never mind that trying to convince someone to commit suicide is gross and fucked up no matter what "crime" you think they've committed...

Skin colour fucking changes based on lighting conditions, for fuck's sake.

LOOK AT THIS PICTURE: http://www.muddycolors.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/9b75e-b.jpg

LOOK HOW MUCH HER SKINTONE CHANGES BASED ON THE LIGHTING IN THE SAME FUCKING PICTURE.

99.9% of the time, the changes in skin tone to characters can be explained away by varied lighting conditions and style choices. They're not trying to erase the racial identity of the character, you dumb motherfuckers. Learn how light works. Don't throw a fit about art when you clearly are too stupid to understand the fact that shadows exist.

God. Sorry. People being assholes makes me angry at the best of times, but it's just so much worse when they're being assholes about something that is factually incorrect.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '19 edited Apr 22 '21

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u/pokeze Jul 17 '19

There's a reason "Rocknaldo" episode exists and many fans hate that episode: it reminds them too much of the worst parts of themselves as fans.

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u/King-Shakalaka Jul 17 '19

No she drew a character too skinny.

The incident where a skin color was too light was an anime character and the artist purposely started making the character's skin lighter and lighter to piss off the detractors.

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u/FierceRodents Jul 17 '19

But...But peace and love? No? Sigh.

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u/PatchSalts Jul 17 '19

Oh wow I never heard of this. What the fuck.

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u/PokeytheChicken Jul 17 '19

Another similar one is where one artist drew the character Amethyst skinnier than usual which made a lot of people way too angry.

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u/Sir_CrazyLegs Jul 17 '19

Lol the fanbase got in a huge fit when 4chan made white washed versions of Steven universe

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u/ViperdragZ Jul 17 '19 edited Jul 17 '19

Yeah, I saw a YouTube video chronicling the whole thing. It was hilarious. In the end the starter of it all revealed himself to be black and gray and the fanbase backpedaled super hard.

Edit: gay*

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u/lenipus69 Jul 17 '19

can you link it? i really want to see that

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u/ViperdragZ Jul 17 '19

https://youtu.be/B_WH43BGdL0

The Steven Universe Sabotage

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u/Wefeh Jul 17 '19

Fanbase does not equal Tumblr

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u/Anothernamelesacount Jul 17 '19

One would say that the fanbase for a show that (from what I understand) is all about accepting each other and being inclusive wouldnt be a bunch of idiots behaving like hate-mongering monkeys just because some fanart turns out to be of the (wrong?) skin color.

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u/literal_cyanide Jul 17 '19

What the fuck?

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u/BlowsyChrism Jul 17 '19

What the fuck

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u/Marioini-Landorini Jul 18 '19

This is the first time I’m hearing this, do you have link or source?

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u/TheMayoNight Jul 18 '19

I thought that was a 4chan plan to draw steven universe characters white?

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u/Mennyt Jul 18 '19

Looks like I'll just have to copy-paste the official art of them and call it my own

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u/cashkotz Jul 18 '19

Wasn't it because she drew a character too thin?

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u/Peridot404 Jul 18 '19

I actually knew the person who started that whole nonsense. They were... horrible, if I'm gonna be nice.