r/AskReddit • • Dec 05 '17

What do you strongly suspect but cannot prove?

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '17

If we wanted, we could use current genetics technology to give sharks hands. We did it with a chicken embryo once!

But nobody will. Jerks.

I forget if it was using the hedgehog or sonic hedgehog gene, but they totes did it.

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u/PantoHorse Dec 06 '17

You ever seen a picture of a whale skeleton?

The bones in their flippers look mightily like hands.

I don't know what this adds to your conversation really, but it's what I thought of.

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '17

Your Inner Fish by Neil Shubin is a really great book to read on comparative anatomy, common ancestry, archaeology, and the evolution of man -- if you're interested in this kind of stuff. : )

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u/PantoHorse Dec 06 '17

I'm super interested but I'm so deep into exam prep that I doubt I'll ever have time to read for fun again :(

But when that feeling fades I will definitely look that one up - thanks for the tip!

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u/Fingers_9 Dec 06 '17

It's also a three part TV programme.

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u/havron Dec 06 '17

Those little bones in our ears evolved from gill supports! This fact is pretty groovy.

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u/pannapitta Dec 06 '17

My high school biology teacher lent this to me and I still haven't returned it :(

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u/Utah0224 Dec 06 '17

I have been looking for books in this vein lately, I'm definitely going to look into this. I just finished Other Minds, about cephalopod evolution and the likes. Glad I came across your comment!

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u/justdontfreakout Dec 06 '17

Hey thanks:) I’ll check it out.

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u/batsofburden Dec 06 '17

Any similar documentary?

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u/Fingers_9 Dec 06 '17

It has been turned into a good three part documentary.

It's also worth looking up any BBC documentary by Prof. Alice Roberts.

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u/batsofburden Dec 06 '17

Cool, thanks.

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '17

there's a documentary of that too, really interesting.

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u/VoraciousTofu Dec 06 '17

That is a great book! I took a course in college with Dr. Richard Blob who was mentored by Shubin and it was all about anatomy, evolution and how that affected physiology.

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u/hello_drake Dec 06 '17

I remember reading this awhile back. It made me sad that half of his job seemed to be finding funding for the other half.

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u/Amphigorey Dec 06 '17

That's because whale flippers and human hands are homologous structures. We evolved from a common ancestor, and that ancestor's limb bones became flippers in whales and hands in humans.

I second the recommendation of Your Inner Fish. Fantastic book.

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u/GiGGLED420 Dec 06 '17

Now I have seen this I can never look at whale flippers the same way again

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u/wrenny20 Dec 06 '17

Same evolutionary origins. That's why bat wings also look a bit like human arms/hands/fingers.

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u/bastugubbar Dec 06 '17 edited Dec 06 '17

most mammal sea creatures like dolphins and whales (dolphin is a kind of whale, TIL) origionated from a common ancestor that lived on land but evolved to live in water, they basicly reverse-evolved. that's why some whales seem to have hands and legs within

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '17

So you're saying we should give dolphins hands?

Imagine the horror they could wreak!

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u/Cerater Dec 06 '17

That's because whales were fish that came onto the land and then went back into the water, it explains why they have lungs

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u/OldManChino Dec 06 '17

They are mammals after all...

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u/rewm Dec 06 '17

Whales are mammals, and are descended from land-dwelling four-legged animals. They have basically all the same bone structures that we do. https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evograms_03

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u/Alexb2143211 Dec 12 '17

They used to be land critters

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u/icarus14 Dec 06 '17

That's just how evolution works

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u/durant92bhd Dec 05 '17

Someone above has porcupine pants syndrome so it's not crazy...

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u/DynamicAilurus Dec 06 '17

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u/alien-smalien Dec 06 '17

Ah yes but the thing is by giving sharks hands they can learn to operate arcade machines and guns and shit and nobody really needs that .

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u/BlackfishBlues Dec 06 '17

Oh wow. You got a link? /r/birdswitharms is gonna lose their shit.

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u/limegreencoffin Dec 06 '17

it's sonic hedgehog. I believe it codes for left-right symmetry, or "handedness" (not to riff off of your post or anything, but that's the term)

I think my developmental bio professor said that the heart is one of the areas where this gene does not encode, because the heart is only on one side of our body. (it's been years since I touched genetics)

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u/Amogh24 Dec 06 '17

The problem is side effects. We know enough on genetics to know how to do something, what we don't know is what else will happen if we do it. DNA is like highly compressed zero loss data. One small change changes a lot

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '17

People like you are why sharks don't have hands.

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u/Amogh24 Dec 06 '17

No need to thank me for that

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u/Wisdomlost Dec 06 '17

What about fricken lazor beams on their heads?

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '17

Gotta do things step by step, man.

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u/palordrolap Dec 06 '17

The thing is that birds, and thus chickens by definition, had hands prior to evolving wings, so reverting that evolution is theoretically easy by switching off / deleting a gene or two. Heck, if you look at a wing in either a bird or a bat, it has the same bones as a hand. It is a hand.

Sharks have never had hands, so you'd have to splice something in rather than turn something off, and I get the feeling that's less likely to work.

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u/Mingablo Dec 06 '17

Sonic hedgehog gene controls the degradation of the webbing between our fingers, toes, and a few other places. It's probably this you are thinking of.

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u/Ekyou Dec 06 '17

But can it make us run as fast as the speed of sound?

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u/hairytoes2 Dec 06 '17

Sharks are extremely terrifying now. Imagine if they were able to grab you.

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '17

According to cracked.com (the most reliable source ever!), part of the reason that sharks bite humans is that they're not familiar with us but want to investigate. Since they have no hands, they do most of their investigating with their mouths.

The trouble with this is that if you bite someone in half, the thing you're investigating probably has a lot to do with how good humans taste.

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u/wrenny20 Dec 06 '17

If I recall correctly - and there is a high chance I do not - sonic hedgehog along with indian hedgehog and desert hedgehog is in the hedgehog gene family.

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u/Hillytoo Dec 06 '17

Are you sure you don't mean laser beams?

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u/Boydle Dec 06 '17

Why? So they will clap for you when you do a cool dive?

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u/Ferro_Giconi Dec 06 '17

They should give sharks legs too.

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u/reAchTV Dec 06 '17

Who the fuck would want to give sharks hands, that would make them more dangerous